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On 24/07/2020 at 17:30, Santa said:

It would be more accurate to say that they accepted that there was no intent.

Clearly he had little understanding of the subtext behind the words he used.

Apologies mate. I worded that quite poorly.

I intended to put it across as you did. In full agreement.

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In my view, I don't care about what bans other players got - Pope has only himself to blame for this one. This isn't an isolated incident. He had already been charged twice in a matter of months

I'm sure this will all lead to civil and well-informed debate on the matter 🙂

There's quite a lot to unpack from this whole affair and much of it won't be obvious to a lot of people, not just because Stoke-on-Trent isn't known for having a large Jewish community, but also becau

Wayne Hennessy was able to convince the disciplinary panel that he was unaware that performing a Nazi salute was associated with Adolf Hitler. Yet Tom Pope is supposed to appreciate that the reference to the Rothchilds banking family could be construed as anti semitic. Something does not look right to me.

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Hennessey’s case was found not proven. Pope admitted the tweet and didn’t accept that it was inappropriate.  Judging by what was said at the hearing, he still doesn’t. Ignorance is not an excuse. 

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14 hours ago, Joe B said:

Yeah if you could stop using my job to have a dig at me mate, that'd be great. Bit weird.

Thankfully, teenagers are far easier to engage with than some on here.

You were the one using your job to try and discredit others opinions on another thread.  Now suddenly its out of bounds... lol  come back again with that statement when you have your own teenagers...

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14 hours ago, Joe B said:

 

I still don't think an appeal gains anything bar possible a slight reduction in games banned (for what will be a backup forward) and lots of negative national press.

 

wow, even club legends don't escape your condescending tone.

So if he was banging goals in for fun and leading the line every week you think we should appeal?  His status in the team has no relevance to your point except to further belittle one of the clubs best ever strikers.  

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10 hours ago, wurzel valiant said:

Wayne Hennessy was able to convince the disciplinary panel that he was unaware that performing a Nazi salute was associated with Adolf Hitler. Yet Tom Pope is supposed to appreciate that the reference to the Rothchilds banking family could be construed as anti semitic. Something does not look right to me.

Ask maybe a 12 year old or possibly younger about the Nazi salute and I'm sure they are aware of it . 

Ask a 12 year old about the Jewish connection with Rothschild clan and they'd be ignorant of it. 

I'm probably not putting my point across great here !! 

Basically of course Hennessy knew, it is staggering beyond belief that he didn't yet the FA got hoodwinked by his lies . 

Not for one moment do I personally think Pope is clever enough to understand the Rothschild quote, nor am I myself. 

Certain quotes are bandied about , Rockefeller is another, thrown out at someone perceived to be rich or flaunts wealth. Now without googling I don't know if Rockefeller was Jewish, Protestant, Mormon or whatever. 

Pope was misguided and foolish . 

He has paid the price for showing no contrition and it follows on from his remarks about what he'd like to do to Carolyn Radford and his Crewe quote. 

Sadly the exposure he is bringing to the table is all negative, we have been flooded with positivity for 14 months. 

What has really surprised me here is the stance of the club saying they'll appeal . Given all the good press and news out of the club we should turn the other cheek and accept the ban. 

Just accept the punishment and let's try and move forward. 

Pope suddenly playing Mother Theresa doesn't erase the stupidity of the bloke. 

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3 hours ago, darren1810 said:

Ask maybe a 12 year old or possibly younger about the Nazi salute and I'm sure they are aware of it . 

Ask a 12 year old about the Jewish connection with Rothschild clan and they'd be ignorant of it. 

I'm probably not putting my point across great here !! 

Basically of course Hennessy knew, it is staggering beyond belief that he didn't yet the FA got hoodwinked by his lies . 

Not for one moment do I personally think Pope is clever enough to understand the Rothschild quote, nor am I myself. 

Certain quotes are bandied about , Rockefeller is another, thrown out at someone perceived to be rich or flaunts wealth. Now without googling I don't know if Rockefeller was Jewish, Protestant, Mormon or whatever. 

Pope was misguided and foolish . 

He has paid the price for showing no contrition and it follows on from his remarks about what he'd like to do to Carolyn Radford and his Crewe quote. 

Sadly the exposure he is bringing to the table is all negative, we have been flooded with positivity for 14 months. 

What has really surprised me here is the stance of the club saying they'll appeal . Given all the good press and news out of the club we should turn the other cheek and accept the ban. 

Just accept the punishment and let's try and move forward. 

Pope suddenly playing Mother Theresa doesn't erase the stupidity of the bloke. 

I agree that the club should appeal because there is no consistency in how these bans are determined.

I very much doubt anybody except those who make it there business to be offended on behalf of others made the Anti Semetic link.

Even the FA themselves have said there was no intent of anti semitism on Popes behalf.  He has an opinion of corrupt bankers who he believes fund war to make money.  His comments can be perceived as anti semitic if you are looking for it and have researched the nuances of what constitutes anti semitism.  There is a severe lack of common sense shown here from Pope and likewise from the FA.  He should be banned, especially as he has previous for being a bit silly on twitter but 6 games?  Really?  

One thing Norman once said is about the only thing he ever said that's true..

Too many tweets makes a <ovf censored>.

As for people calling Pope out for being stupid etc, how many of you doing that know all about the history of the Rothschilds?  Pope probably reads this forum, he is a local lad who has been a talisman for this club.  Lovely way to treat him for not making the not very obvious connection between Rothschild and anti semitism.  

 

Would be funny to see how quickly some of the posters on here would disappear up there own back sides if he rocked up at your houses to ask you to explain why you think he is thick and a back up striker who we won't miss.

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38 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

I agree that the club should appeal because there is no consistency in how these bans are determined.

I very much doubt anybody except those who make it there business to be offended on behalf of others made the Anti Semetic link.

Even the FA themselves have said there was no intent of anti semitism on Popes behalf.  He has an opinion of corrupt bankers who he believes fund war to make money.  His comments can be perceived as anti semitic if you are looking for it and have researched the nuances of what constitutes anti semitism.  There is a severe lack of common sense shown here from Pope and likewise from the FA.  He should be banned, especially as he has previous for being a bit silly on twitter but 6 games?  Really?  

One thing Norman once said is about the only thing he ever said that's true..

Too many tweets makes a <ovf censored>.

As for people calling Pope out for being stupid etc, how many of you doing that know all about the history of the Rothschilds?  Pope probably reads this forum, he is a local lad who has been a talisman for this club.  Lovely way to treat him for not making the not very obvious connection between Rothschild and anti semitism.  

 

Would be funny to see how quickly some of the posters on here would disappear up there own back sides if he rocked up at your houses to ask you to explain why you think he is thick and a back up striker who we won't miss.

But if you read I stated I myself have no clue on the Rothschild's or Rockefeller. 

The thing is with social media for everyone, whether prince or pauper you have to think before you type. You can't put on stuff that you may say to a bunch of mates in the pub. 

The ban probably reflects a totting up procedure as per driving offences. 

If you have 9 points on your licence most reasonable folk would adhere to the speed limit etc. 

Pope has pushed the boundaries and fallen foul. 

I understand what you are saying about Pope knocking on people's doors etc but how many 6 foot 4 brutes have crowds abused from the terraces. If you are in the public eye you rise above it.

Love Pope as a player not even in question. 

But do I want to see a Port Vale player talking about the Female CEO of a fellow club as though she's some sort of trash ?

If he has fantasies about that then tell his mates don't let the world know. 

Same with Crewe, we've all heard the chants, we've all seen or read the complete disdain Crewe as a club have had for the victims. But why oh why would he make crass comments on Twitter ? 

I certainly don't believe Pope is anti-Semitic at all but eventually the FA can only knock on the door so many times and if there's no improvement then this is why it's a 6 game ban.

I've already mentioned Hennessy so yes there's a huge lack of consistency in behaviour from the FA but that's no excuse for repeat offenders. 

Who knows the games he missed last season , he may of been the man who got us that one extra point we needed. 

Only speculation obviously but we could be ready to welcome Sunderland Pompey Ipswich next season, but him being banned is detrimental to everyone associated with the club, staff, players, fans. 

 

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8 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

wow, even club legends don't escape your condescending tone.

So if he was banging goals in for fun and leading the line every week you think we should appeal?  His status in the team has no relevance to your point except to further belittle one of the clubs best ever strikers.  

Pope is a backup forward. He played 45% of our minutes last season. Cullen finished the season stronger, we've signed a young lad to a 3 year deal, and Askey is insistent he wants another striker. Pope is a legend, the only of my lifetime, but I offered a fairly objective comment on his playing time moving forward (which is shared by many of this thread which you haven't commented on at all).

If you think thats condescending then you clearly have a personal issue with me.Fair enough pal. Let's leave it. First person I've ever felt the need to add to the 'ignore' list, and I've been in loads of debates on here.

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2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

He has an opinion of corrupt bankers who he believes fund war to make money.  His comments can be perceived as anti semitic if you are looking for it and have researched the nuances of what constitutes anti semitism

Actually, I'm not sure that's true. I've lived in Aylesbury for some years now and the Rothschild family used to have many stately homes here (Waddesdon, for instance) so maybe I am at an advantage and know more about the family than some simply due to where I live. If you know about the Rothschild family then you know they are a Jewish family who made their fortune through banking.

Pope's comments were NOT about corrupt bankers making money - it was about a family, a very rich Jewish family OWNING all the banks. He said "Rothchilds crowned champions of every bank on the planet" that's very different from an opinion of "corrupt bankers" - it's an opinion of "corrupt JEWISH bankers" - and there's the antisemitism.

I do think all the arguments about the length of ban, the appeal, the fairness, whether he knew and so on are secondary to the simplest thing of all - if he hadn't posted a load of rubbish on social media, he wouldn't be in this mess. I personally think the best response to this would be to take the punishment, learn from it, go to the education courses provided and pay attention to them (not YouTube videos)... and then come back onto the pitch, say nothing and bang in a load of goals.

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2 hours ago, Joe B said:

Pope is a backup forward. He played 45% of our minutes last season. Cullen finished the season stronger, we've signed a young lad to a 3 year deal, and Askey is insistent he wants another striker. Pope is a legend, the only of my lifetime, but I offered a fairly objective comment on his playing time moving forward (which is shared by many of this thread which you haven't commented on at all).

If you think thats condescending then you clearly have a personal issue with me.Fair enough pal. Let's leave it. First person I've ever felt the need to add to the 'ignore' list, and I've been in loads of debates on here.

now nown children, play nicely!

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6 hours ago, darren1810 said:

But if you read I stated I myself have no clue on the Rothschild's or Rockefeller. 

The thing is with social media for everyone, whether prince or pauper you have to think before you type. You can't put on stuff that you may say to a bunch of mates in the pub. 

The ban probably reflects a totting up procedure as per driving offences. 

If you have 9 points on your licence most reasonable folk would adhere to the speed limit etc. 

Pope has pushed the boundaries and fallen foul. 

I understand what you are saying about Pope knocking on people's doors etc but how many 6 foot 4 brutes have crowds abused from the terraces. If you are in the public eye you rise above it.

Love Pope as a player not even in question. 

But do I want to see a Port Vale player talking about the Female CEO of a fellow club as though she's some sort of trash ?

If he has fantasies about that then tell his mates don't let the world know. 

Same with Crewe, we've all heard the chants, we've all seen or read the complete disdain Crewe as a club have had for the victims. But why oh why would he make crass comments on Twitter ? 

I certainly don't believe Pope is anti-Semitic at all but eventually the FA can only knock on the door so many times and if there's no improvement then this is why it's a 6 game ban.

I've already mentioned Hennessy so yes there's a huge lack of consistency in behaviour from the FA but that's no excuse for repeat offenders. 

Who knows the games he missed last season , he may of been the man who got us that one extra point we needed. 

Only speculation obviously but we could be ready to welcome Sunderland Pompey Ipswich next season, but him being banned is detrimental to everyone associated with the club, staff, players, fans. 

 

I wasn't necessarily aiming my whole post at you.

If Carol and Kevin think its worthwhile to appeal, then I will take there opinion over the condescending tones seen by our Joe.

Pope has been daft, but I simply don't buy this mock outrage.  Most people have no idea that the Rothschilds are even Jewish.  Most people condemning Pope are saying he is stupid and yet expect him to know about stuff they didn't know about themselves before they Wikipedia'd themselves up to justify there outrage.  Its very sad when a lad who has served the club so well can't get the benefit of the doubt from some of the pompous dullards on here.

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14 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

You were the one using your job to try and discredit others opinions on another thread.  Now suddenly its out of bounds... lol  come back again with that statement when you have your own teenagers...

That thread was about teachers though!

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39 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

I wasn't necessarily aiming my whole post at you.

If Carol and Kevin think its worthwhile to appeal, then I will take there opinion over the condescending tones seen by our Joe.

Pope has been daft, but I simply don't buy this mock outrage.  Most people have no idea that the Rothschilds are even Jewish.  Most people condemning Pope are saying he is stupid and yet expect him to know about stuff they didn't know about themselves before they Wikipedia'd themselves up to justify there outrage.  Its very sad when a lad who has served the club so well can't get the benefit of the doubt from some of the pompous dullards on here.

In my case, mate, it's not outrage, it's exasperation.  He has been warned so many times and already banned twice because of his Twitter behaviour yet he carries on posting, and in this case, he does so on a subject which he confessed he knew nothing about.  You say folk on here have responding after wikipediaing - well Tom could have done exactly the same and none of this would have happened.

If Tom wants to engage in political debate on Twitter why in the name heaven doesn't he set up an account under a different name and say what the hell he likes?  Why must he express his political opinions as Tom Pope, footballer?  It's an ego thing isn't it.  And if he doesn't learn from this he is indeed crackers.

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8 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

That thread was about teachers though!

Yes but he was trying to shut down opinion because he was a newly qualified teacher and others weren't.

We aren't footballers but we have an opinion on football without players being condescending and pompous about it.

He claims that teenagers are easier to engage, yet has no teenagers of his own.  I do so I am more experienced than he is, so its a bit of a hyperbolic taste of his own medicine.  Trouble is, he doesn't like it.  

Now I don't need to be an experienced teacher to know that if he adopts the condescending tone in his job that he has displayed here, he won't last long.  Anybody who has lived a few years more than 20 odd can tell him that and maybe somebody he will listen to should!

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4 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Yes but he was trying to shut down opinion because he was a newly qualified teacher and others weren't.

We aren't footballers but we have an opinion on football without players being condescending and pompous about it.

He claims that teenagers are easier to engage, yet has no teenagers of his own.  I do so I am more experienced than he is, so its a bit of a hyperbolic taste of his own medicine.  Trouble is, he doesn't like it.  

Now I don't need to be an experienced teacher to know that if he adopts the condescending tone in his job that he has displayed here, he won't last long.  Anybody who has lived a few years more than 20 odd can tell him that and maybe somebody he will listen to should!

OK mate. We agree to disagree. No need for this. I don't get personal with you. Lets move on.

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6 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

In my case, mate, it's not outrage, it's exasperation.  He has been warned so many times and already banned twice because of his Twitter behaviour yet he carries on posting, and in this case, he does so on a subject which he confessed he knew nothing about.  You say folk on here have responding after wikipediaing - well Tom could have done exactly the same and none of this would have happened.

If Tom wants to engage in political debate on Twitter why in the name heaven doesn't he set up an account under a different name and say what the hell he likes?  Why must he express his political opinions as Tom Pope, footballer?  It's an ego thing isn't it.  And if he doesn't learn from this he is indeed crackers.

yes he could have and should have.  He didn't but he does not deserve the vilification of some on here.

I don't do Facebook, twitter, Instagram or anything else so have no idea what he posts about.  

I still maintain that I will trust Carol's judgement regarding an appeal over Internet outrage.  

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