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Nothing wrong with getting just a little carried away at the moment,  as long as we all remember that it's The Vale we're talking about. But then again this is the New Vale and it feels amazing,  even

People make me laugh on this website , slagging a player off who wants to play for port Vale while lording over Maynard who doesn't . Seen his you tube interview where he states he and the club are in

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17 minutes ago, Heatwave said:

If McKirdy signs and tries his antics in the dressing room eventually he'll end up in a dark alleyway with Tom Pope telling him exactly how it is. That's if John Askey doesn't get to him first.

My hope is always that the Senior pros like Pope, Legge and Joyce will calm down a wild child... my one concern is that it didn't really happen with Hannant and Whitfield. So I'm not sure we can bank on that.

Difference now is that Askey is here and seems to be more in control so im a bit more confident.

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59 minutes ago, Emile said:

Askey hasn't got a bad egg wrong before for us, why presume we know better than him now?

Nobody is presuming that. Simply stating what he has been like at every club is not insinuating we know better than the manager....

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28 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

My hope is always that the Senior pros like Pope, Legge and Joyce will calm down a wild child... my one concern is that it didn't really happen with Hannant and Whitfield. So I'm not sure we can bank on that.

Difference now is that Askey is here and seems to be more in control so im a bit more confident.

Askey is in tune with the owners, far different than the relationships, or not,  in the dark days.

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17 hours ago, MBE said:

I don;t understand the negativity behind McKurdy. Yes he wasn't happy in Carlisle. We all see he plays with a swagger, is "clever" winning free kicks which is annoying to watch at times however he is that skilled creative type we currently lack in our squad. A player who can do something out of nothing to unlock a defence in a tight game.

The type of player every promotion chasing squad need.

Agree totally.

The game management/ dark arts is something most clubs employ at times as we often have witnessed. No i am certainly not saying to cheat as that is bang out of order.

But knowing when a nudge or contact is coming and getting a free kick in the 92nd minute kills a few seconds and nips things in the bud. McKirdy as is Grant is king at it. 

Hence Salford, Orient, Mansfield etc etc we threw late leads away when a bit of acumen and nous would of gained us a win.

11 goals last season, only at Vale could we have naysayers about a possible game changer.

He is a petulant prat but if he plays for Vale he would be OUR petulant prat who can win a game for you.

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Just now, darren1810 said:

Agree totally.

The game management/ dark arts is something most clubs employ at times as we often have witnessed. No i am certainly not saying to cheat as that is bang out of order.

But knowing when a nudge or contact is coming and getting a free kick in the 92nd minute kills a few seconds and nips things in the bud. McKirdy as is Grant is king at it. 

Hence Salford, Orient, Mansfield etc etc we threw late leads away when a bit of acumen and nous would of gained us a win.

11 goals last season, only at Vale could we have naysayers about a possible game changer.

He is a petulant prat but if he plays for Vale he would be OUR petulant prat who can win a game for you.

Not really seen how Crewe fans saw him in terms of antics or in the dressing room? Apparently Carlisle fans suggest they felt he wasnt happy there and maybe homesick?

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4 hours ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

Probably thought he was still big time because he came from Villa. Now he has had a full season in league 2 and realising his antics have had a knock on effect that no clubs have offered him a contract, he might have changed his ways. Also, if his family live in Stoke, he won’t want to $hit on his own doorstep. That’s my optimistic view anyway 😄

If we sign him BB hope you are right. There is a good footballer in there but carries a lot of baggage around with him. Hopefully Askey can lose the bad stuff and get more of the good stuff out of him. Being released by Carlisle and subsequent  lack of interest should bring him back down to earth. Feel this is a crossroads moment for his career. If only  Ryan Burge had written an autobiography , now would be the time to read it. However , footballers are notoriously slow at hearing the penny finally drop and even as their career spirals down the plughole usually fail to realise the real problem isnt elsewhere but  is staring back at them from the bathroom mirror. 

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55 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Agree totally.

The game management/ dark arts is something most clubs employ at times as we often have witnessed. No i am certainly not saying to cheat as that is bang out of order.

But knowing when a nudge or contact is coming and getting a free kick in the 92nd minute kills a few seconds and nips things in the bud. McKirdy as is Grant is king at it. 

Hence Salford, Orient, Mansfield etc etc we threw late leads away when a bit of acumen and nous would of gained us a win.

11 goals last season, only at Vale could we have naysayers about a possible game changer.

He is a petulant prat but if he plays for Vale he would be OUR petulant prat who can win a game for you.

Only 5 league goals and only 10 in his career. 

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From the PVO report on his visit to Vale last November:

“We have had some exasperating tactics and behaviour from Stevenage and Oldham recently and some Carlisle players did themselves no favours, most notably Harry McKirdy who dived all over the place and caused plenty of trouble. Amazing that he was never booked. Carlisle fans have been heavily critical of him after the game and some want him to leave.“

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If the management think that he’ll fit in then it’s their decision and unless he doesn’t want to play for us then he’ll be pulling in the Vale shirt. I would definitely sign McLean even if we send him out on loan and have a look at him in the trophy games. Surely if we sign them both then we won’t have to take any load players that don’t come cheap. If McLean has pace and we need to replace RB or LB then pace    is a great advantage. Could be our new Darren Hughes.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Only 5 league goals and only 10 in his career. 

More than Scott Burgess at the same age though?

I dont like the bloke, but I can see the advantage of having a niggly horrible bloke play for us not the opposition.

If he signs, I will back Askey and Carol to done their Due Diligence and will back their call. Its what they are good at.

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52 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

From the PVO report on his visit to Vale last November:

“We have had some exasperating tactics and behaviour from Stevenage and Oldham recently and some Carlisle players did themselves no favours, most notably Harry McKirdy who dived all over the place and caused plenty of trouble. Amazing that he was never booked. Carlisle fans have been heavily critical of him after the game and some want him to leave.“

I've just read through the Carlisle forum released list thread, where he was the obvious topic of conversation. More of their fans wanted him to stay than leave. Even those that wanted him to leave generally felt he was  their best player and would go elsewhere and be successful. A number who wanted him to leave felt he was just never going to work with their new manager and that things really deteriorated from there. There perception is Beech has a preference for work man like players and McKirdy isn't that type of player. Not sure a PVO articles have a reputation for objectivity.

Askey has managed a few maverick type players in the past. I think Durrell was a player who had a few moments. It really comes down to whether he and Askey can forge a relationship and whether Askey feels he's good enough as a player within our system. 

I don't have a real opinion on this signing. I do find it odd that there was no real questions about him being a disruptive influence surfaced during his three extended loans or at Villa, yet became a major issue at Carlisle. I suspect he is partly to blame but also Carlisle didn't seem a particularly happy place to be last season. Young man away from his family for the first time making an arse of himself in a difficult situation isn't that unusual an occurance. Askey will be more aware than we are as to what really has happened and he'll get judged on the call he makes.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Only 5 league goals and only 10 in his career. 

But 17 in all competitions (40 starts and 40 sub appearances) looks much better. Even his league stats of 10 in 34 starts and 33 from the bench isn't bad for a young winger. All 5 of his league goals came in games Carlisle won by a single goal. In terms of goals per game he's way ahead of our wingers.

If you look at his overall record his ability to score from wide positions isn't an issue. The question Askey needs to make a call on is will he be negative within the squad.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Only 5 league goals and only 10 in his career. 

That's twisting things a bit though.  In all competitions he has a very credible 17 goals in 80 games and that's despite one permanent and three loan spells (so he's had to settle into four different squads, tactics and team mates and he's still found the net regularly).

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