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On 20/06/2020 at 11:21, eh up nah said:

There are many things that originate from something far far different to how they're used now.

When people hear swing low, how many of them genuinely, honestly think of the slave trade and racism?

 

It's  a good point,I see that Sky Sports have recently added the words "nitty gritty" to their list of banned phrases because they are apparently linked with slavery.

Whatever next?

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20 hours ago, For Us All said:

It's  a good point,I see that Sky Sports have recently added the words "nitty gritty" to their list of banned phrases because they are apparently linked with slavery.

Whatever next?

The problem is commentators talking about a black player and an identical white player, calling the black player a strong, physical monster and the white player an intelligent, technical hard worker.

If they've just been checking the Oxford English dictionary for the origins of commonly used words and phrases then they've missed the point entirely.

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9 minutes ago, Wrex said:

The problem is commentators talking about a black player and an identical white player, calling the black player a strong, physical monster and the white player an intelligent, technical hard worker.

If they've just been checking the Oxford English dictionary for the origins of commonly used words and phrases then they've missed the point entirely.

The message is clear, but opponents look for dead cats and squirrels.

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4 hours ago, Wrex said:

The problem is commentators talking about a black player and an identical white player, calling the black player a strong, physical monster and the white player an intelligent, technical hard worker.

If they've just been checking the Oxford English dictionary for the origins of commonly used words and phrases then they've missed the point entirely.

The problem is that the players are almost never identical.

 

If the narrative is to reduce two completely individual people down to their skin colour - black and white, then any differences between the two individuals will also be seen through that lens. Adding up the times a black player is called strong and comparing to the times that a white player is called strong doesn't actually prove or disprove anything. The reasons WHY they are being called those things is the important part. You'd also have to account for any differences between them.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

The problem is that the players are almost never identical.

 

If the narrative is to reduce two completely individual people down to their skin colour - black and white, then any differences between the two individuals will also be seen through that lens. Adding up the times a black player is called strong and comparing to the times that a white player is called strong doesn't actually prove or disprove anything. The reasons WHY they are being called those things is the important part. You'd also have to account for any differences between them.

 

 

It's like the Bechdel test where films are checked to see if two named women characters talk to each other about something other than a man. Only about half of films pass the test. But of course passing the test doesn't make it a feminist work and failing the test doesn't prove the film is sexist. It just demonstrates that in general there isn't gender equality in films.

In general there is a racial bias in football commentary. That doesn't mean it's wrong to point out that Akifenwa is immensely strong or that Pirlo is intelligent, or indeed that a particular black player hasn't got great footballing intelligence or whatever.

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Starkey made some outrageously offensive comments about mining communities back in the 1980's. Basically saying that their destruction would be for the general good. That they were brutal, and the men always beat up their wives and kids. He's been on my ignore list since then. Ignorant pig. Amazed he's got away with his pig ignorant opinions for so long. The man is a disgrace, and has been for decades. Not just in regard to race issues.

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7 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

The message is clear, but opponents look for dead cats and squirrels.

The slogan is clear and difficult to oppose after a clever piece of marketing but people are now learning more about the political aims of the organisation.

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1 minute ago, For Us All said:

The slogan is clear and difficult to oppose after a clever piece of marketing but people are now learning more about the political aims of the organisation.

My point , the message is all that matters ,  politics is a separate issue.

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14 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

My point , the message is all that matters ,  politics is a separate issue.

If the message is all that matters then why bother with the marxism and the standard anti-zionism?

 

Why else do we constantly have to be told that none of what these radicals say is literal? You only have to look at this thread and the official BLM statements to see:

 

"Black Lives Matter" - actually means all lives including LGBTQ/Muslims/Women

"all lives matter" - actually means white lives

"white lives matter" - black lives don't matter

"abolish the police" - keep the police

"defund the police" - fund programs to reduce crime

Saying nothing at all - Part of the problem, silence is violence.

 

None of it is clear at all, at least in the way that we're being gaslit into thinking it is a clear simple message about black lives. It's obviously not.

 

It was clear a month ago when it was JUST about police brutality and society threatened to have an honest discussion about why black people are over represented in crime stats. It feels like that ship sailed a long time ago now, it's almost nothing to do with it.

 

It's not so clear now when there are black children being gunned down in America by protesters. I think 5 people died in the CHAZ/CHOP zone, including a 16 year old black boy. An 8 year old girl was fatally shot by protesters near the Rayshard Brooks scene. It's chaos.

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22 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

My point , the message is all that matters ,  politics is a separate issue.

It might help if the message was clear instead of being fogged by crap.

If the message is simply black lives matter then it's clear.

If it's black lives matter and white lives matter and brown lives matter etc then it's not clear, add the political crap and baggage that comes with it and it's as clear as mud.

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I thought I read it was South Asians who were hardest hit by the virus.... or is that just the UK?

I really don’t understand what they are saying. It seems to be either the virus itself discriminates against black people, or there is some underlying issue causing more black deaths that is a direct result of racism?
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4 minutes ago, Rodge said:


I really don’t understand what they are saying. It seems to be either the virus itself discriminates against black people, or there is some underlying issue causing more black deaths that is a direct result of racism?

It's confusing, I don't see how a virus can be racist. From the little I read South Asians have a higher percentage of diabetes and other conditions that make them more susceptible to the virus.... but again that may be in the UK... I wouldn't consider South Asians as black.

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