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12 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

It's like arguing that Boxers shouldn't have as many concussions as Tennis players, because there are fewer boxers.

 

 

Nah you were way too eager with your "gotcha" moment.

 

You obviously recognise that the articles are discussing how to interpret the word 'abolish'. Why don't you afford me the same? It seems that BLM protesters can use the word to mean defund, yet when I use it, I mean abolish.

 

How about a further quote - from one of the founders of black lives matter:

 

 

 

The word 'abolish' is one that they use. It's not one I've invented or latched on to.

 

As I've said 3 times now, and you've ignored 3 times, change the word abolish to defund in my post and my orginal point is still valid and unchanged.

 

Add in the fact that it is reasonable to use abolish, it's a word used by BLM, an idea that they have supported if not officially and explicitly adopted, then your post is completely shot.

 

You are targetting me. That should be clear to everyone reading this. You've admitted before that I get defensive when you do it. You keep doing it. I'll call it what it is thank you very much.

 

 

 

Just looking for a it of consistency my dear Beagle. Simply consistency.

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11 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

But if you look at deaths against those convicted of serious crime and prison population you are more likely to be killed by police if you are white than black. 

Twist the stats how ever you like.

Do you believe that the police in the US treat white people the same as black people?

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15 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Is Black Lives Matter a movement aimed towards abolition of the police?

When we sit and think about what the world needs to looks like in order for black lives to actually matter, there is a debate: what is going to make our communities safe, how do we deal with harm, how do we solve problems that come up in our communities? I saw a piece in The Nationthat said we should abolish the police, which was awesome and in some ways is forcing questions that we have been afraid to talk about for a long time. The point to me is to be able to dig into these questions as opposed to being prescriptive about what the answers are.

In the same way, we are living in political moment where for the first time in a long time we are talking about alternatives to capitalism. Socialism became this weird household word partially because right-wingers call Obama a socialist, which he is the farthest from. It is a political moment that’s opening up opportunities to envision a world where people can actually live in dignity. So whether that’s abolishing a criminal justice system that feeds off the labor and the lives of black and brown people, whether that’s abolishing an economic system that thrives on exploitation, poverty and misery: this is the time for us to not just dream about what could be, but also start to build alternatives that we want to see.

But the institution of policing won’t be abolished overnight. In the interim, what does policing look like in a world where black lives matter?

Quite honestly I’m not sure we can have both [policing and the valuing of black lives]. That’s me personally.

So the answer to the first question is that they want a conversation and a debate about how policing could be better.

Do you actually believe that BLM want no police officers anywhere in America?

And the second answer has the very clear caveat that its a personal opinion.

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15 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

If you haven't already seen it, check out a case of a man called Tony Timpa.

 

The police knelt on his back for around 13 minutes after he had called them. He became unresponsive and they were laughing and joking about him being asleep. As he was put into an ambulance one of the cops said something like 'I hope I haven't killed him'. He never woke up.

 

Not only have they not been convicted of any crime, their only punishment was "discplinary" action and at least 2 of them kept their jobs in the police.

 

This is not an issue that only affects black people.

Do you believe that the police in the US treat white people the same as black people?

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20 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

But if you look at deaths against those convicted of serious crime and prison population you are more likely to be killed by police if you are white than black. 

Twist the stats how ever you like.

Can you show me the stats... I would be interested in reading them.

Again... watch the 13th on Netflix. 

This is so much deeper and so much more complex than your view I'm afraid. The whole point is that Black people end up in prison more frequently for the same crime. 

Seriously... with an open mind, watch the 13th and let me know what you think. 

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

I used to teach a unit at Key Stage 3 - Black Peoples of the Americas - which dealt at length with the slave trade and the American Civil War.  And I note from Howjy's quote post that he wants schools to teach about racial harmony and living together in peace and tolerance.  With respect, surely parents have a role in teaching such principles??

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54 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

he should have got longer, but the charge was outraging public indecency,  not urinating on a public monument or memorial,   the Cambridgrshire live report said he handed himself in on the 14th, another report says after "input" from his father...

   so till the 10yrs punishment comes to law, how long for desecrating a monument or memorial, we.ve seen 2-3 so far even some with the police looking on.

Was any body charged for defacing Winston Churchill’s statue 

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1 hour ago, Iron Curtain said:

Do you believe that the police in the US treat white people the same as black people?

The same?..... yes

As often?..... no

Black officers, white officers, Somali officers, Mexican officers etc..... what's the common denominator? 

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Circular argument as to why the Black community lives in poverty in the US and don't have the opportunities that White people do.
Have you watched the 13th on Netflix? I suggest you do. 
A simple question... do you believe that the Black community is treated worse than the white community in the US?

Answer me a simple question... I don’t know you, your age, your race, your religion, your sexuality, but how many times have you had a direct altercation with the police?
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