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Sutton United Preview!

We're talking Manager of the Month, other awards and a Rochdale Pizza game this week. Then into Sutton, who have won 4 out of their last 5 and have some dangerous ex-vale players on the books. A full contingent of Vale fans heading to a new ground this weekend. Will it be Vale marching on, or will Sutton get in and stop the charge?

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Sutton United Preview!
We're talking Manager of the Month, other awards and a Rochdale Pizza game this week. Then into Sutton, who have won 4 out of their last 5 and have some dangerous ex-vale players on the books. A full contingent of Vale fans heading to a new ground this weekend. Will it be Vale marching on, or will Sutton get in and stop the charge?
Available on Apple, Google and Spotify podcasts. And here! https://aleandthevale.podbean.com


'Dangerous ex-vale players'

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It was asked how the Manager of the Month curse affected Port Vale managers. Well since 2004 only Micky Adams won it (three times):

September 2010 (followed by a 2-1 loss to Oxford United)

November 2010 (followed by a 1-0 loss to Morecambe)

September 2012 (followed by a 1-1 draw with Dagenham)

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Clarke has won five Manager of the Month awards, and immediately followed them with 1 win, 2 draws and 1 defeat.

I must point out I'm just counting the first result of the following month. The award winners are actually announced a few days into the following month if you are want to say the curse only strikes once the award has actually been given

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Sutton Review!

An off day for the Vale as karma hits and we fall to a late defeat at Gander Green Lane. Plenty to discuss in the game and some inconsistent performances to go. And what was the referee on?! Apologies for the sound quality from Jonny, who sounds like he was on the Moon when we recorded!

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Is it wrong to say I enjoy the pod more when we lose? Not sure I agree with knocking individual performances down because of the team performance though. 

There were some good performances within the game I thought, and at times proctor, Pett and Gibbo were way ahead of everyone. 
 

Pett had a decent game, but I thought it was him that was slow to close the thrower for the 3rd goal, a small lapse that ended up being costly. I agree that I don’t think there’s any blame that can be attached to Worrall for not winning the header, but when everyone is getting back into their shape it’s hard to suddenly be swapping around so that someone else marks worralls man when he’s coming in defend the back post. 
 

One thing I noticed with Jones and gibbo was that they were mainly being targeted on that side with long diagonals on to Jones head. I think jones stood up to it well and in the main  I felt that they both linked together well to defend their back post / corner of the box from those long balls in. 
 

It’s an interesting comment you make about that bit if play from Gibbo where he headed it past the full back and ran on it. You don’t often see play like that in our league, let alone from a full back. I think him and Conlon are currently the 2 main players for us that could be being scouted elsewhere. Conlon may not have been at his best, but you can still tell that’s most of our play goes through him. Take the second goal as an example, that must have been a training ground routine with Conlon being at the heart of it. 

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On 09/10/2021 at 15:08, PV1973 said:

Is it wrong to say I enjoy the pod more when we lose? Not sure I agree with knocking individual performances down because of the team performance though. 

There were some good performances within the game I thought, and at times proctor, Pett and Gibbo were way ahead of everyone. 
 

Pett had a decent game, but I thought it was him that was slow to close the thrower for the 3rd goal, a small lapse that ended up being costly. I agree that I don’t think there’s any blame that can be attached to Worrall for not winning the header, but when everyone is getting back into their shape it’s hard to suddenly be swapping around so that someone else marks worralls man when he’s coming in defend the back post. 
 

One thing I noticed with Jones and gibbo was that they were mainly being targeted on that side with long diagonals on to Jones head. I think jones stood up to it well and in the main  I felt that they both linked together well to defend their back post / corner of the box from those long balls in. 
 

It’s an interesting comment you make about that bit if play from Gibbo where he headed it past the full back and ran on it. You don’t often see play like that in our league, let alone from a full back. I think him and Conlon are currently the 2 main players for us that could be being scouted elsewhere. Conlon may not have been at his best, but you can still tell that’s most of our play goes through him. Take the second goal as an example, that must have been a training ground routine with Conlon being at the heart of it. 

I think at the end of the day, individual performances were down as the team didn't quite get it right. I thought like you say, there were some decent performances in there but too many off days that was reflected in the scoreline. Not that I thought we played terribly, but we weren't the same side for some reason after we went 2 up. 

I also had Rodney down as the other main name out the door if things went well. I hope he comes back strong from his recent absence. He really is a quality player that can destroy teams when he's on it.

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Only started listening to these over the last few weeks when all was well.
I was concerned that this was going to be all doom and gloom and put me off.
However I was pleasantly surprised with how sensible all your views were. Fingers crossed we go on another good run now.

Keep up the good work lads.

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27 minutes ago, PVFC_4_EVA said:

Only started listening to these over the last few weeks when all was well.
I was concerned that this was going to be all doom and gloom and put me off.
However I was pleasantly surprised with how sensible all your views were. Fingers crossed we go on another good run now.

Keep up the good work lads.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

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3 hours ago, stupers said:

I also had Rodney down as the other main name out the door if things went well. I hope he comes back strong from his recent absence. He really is a quality player that can destroy teams when he's on it.

Agree on Rodney, but only if he can start to show his form from last season, but I don’t think he has yet. So right now out of our “assets” I think it’s Gibbo and Conlon who will be attracting interest. I also think that Worrall may have one last move in him if he carries on his form too, I’m sure some clubs would take a punt on him for a couple of years. 

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Barrow Review!

A come from behind victory at Vale Park. Plenty of character and strength shown, as well as tactical nous as we go in down at half time but score 3 in the second half to cap a fine victory. Plenty of debate about the performances involved. Followed up by a quick preview of the Mansfield game on Tuesday. They're on a terrible run of form, but beat us convincingly both times last year. Is this the moment to turn the screw on an already under the pressure team?

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Mansfield Review!

A point gained on the road rather than 2 lost as a fantastic following at Field Mill see Vale have an off-form evening at Mansfield. We talk through the positives - Tom Pett, Covolan penalty save and a superb free-kick from Tom Conlon. And cover the not-so-goods as well. Apologies for the sound quality, normal service will resume on Friday!

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On 20/10/2021 at 04:08, stupers said:

Mansfield Review!

A point gained on the road rather than 2 lost as a fantastic following at Field Mill see Vale have an off-form evening at Mansfield. We talk through the positives - Tom Pett, Covolan penalty save and a superb free-kick from Tom Conlon. And cover the not-so-goods as well. Apologies for the sound quality, normal service will resume on Friday!

Available on Apple, Google and Spotify podcasts. And here! https://aleandthevale.podbean.com

Just to jump on to your upcoming conversation about how teams have singled out players. I disagree with jonnys point about the 3 being Worrall, Garrity and Conlon. It’s not happened too often where we’ve been stopped but I think if you look at the last few games then Garritys drop in form coincides with the injury he picked up. I don’t think he’s been the same since then.

 

But have a look back at a few of our goals, if memory serves me correctly I think the main fulcrum of our attacking play with wingbacks has been wingback into forward, forward back to Conlon, Conlon out to wingback who’s made a run behind their fullback, wingback cuts it back for a chance. Garrity arriving in the box relys on the wingback getting wide to pull it back but he hasn’t been making those runs, but we’ve seen proctor and politic offer that instead.  So for me the players that have been stopped recently (but actually not that often) have been Worrall, Gibbo, Conlon, proctor and Wilson and the link up play they offer to create chances. The barrow first half was a perfect example of this, we had nothing to offer once the wingbacks had their space denied when barrow doubled up on them and they also screened off the ball into out forwards feet too. 

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