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I’d like to see the Crowley brothers. But there’s no way any manager is going to get the time. Look at what happened with Aspin and Askey, even though they had initially achieved their short term targets, as soon  as a bad run comes around (which it will in any managerial reign) then the pitch forks and lit torches are out in force.  

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8 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

I’d like to see the Crowley brothers. But there’s no way any manager is going to get the time. Look at what happened with Aspin and Askey, even though they had initially achieved their short term targets, as soon  as a bad run comes around (which it will in any managerial reign) then the pitch forks and lit torches are out in force.  

Once again, the failing of managers is blamed on the fans. 

Maybe John Askey should have signed some good players. That would have been wise.

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9 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Once again, the failing of managers is blamed on the fans. 

Maybe John Askey should have signed some good players. That would have been wise.

You’re obsessed with this blaming the fans comment.
 

The fans had no patience when a bad run came along.  That’s a fact. The same will happen with the next manager when they have a bad run. There’s no use pretending otherwise, that is unless you believe that if the next manager who goes on a run like Askeys he will (for some reason) be afforded  the time and patience of our fans? 

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7 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

You’re obsessed with this blaming the fans comment.
 

The fans had no patience when a bad run came along.  That’s a fact. The same will happen with the next manager when they have a bad run. There’s no use pretending otherwise, that is unless you believe that if the next manager who goes on a run like Askeys he will (for some reason) be afforded  the time and patience of our fans? 

I just find it bizarre that John Askey, a man paid to manage a football team with superb owners, gets less blame for failure than the fans do who didn't like losing and couldn't see any long-term progress as an ageing squad got older and substandard players were signed en masse, in a season in which top 7 was the expectation.

It really baffles me. He should have just been better at his job. Not the fans' fault. By implying the fans threw a hissy fit, you're also implying Carol was swayed by the fans kicking off, and not her own rational judgement, which is very harsh.

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It's very easy to present fans unsatisfied with John Askey as impatient kneejerkers, but I think it's a disservice to many fans who think long and hard, and have a good understanding about Port Vale.

The disappointment with Askey wasn't just results, but a combination of a lack of improvement elsewhere; late goals, tactical inflexibility, recruitment. These things combined to give us an old squad in free fall.

Of course, some reacted emotionally to another lost season (as any fanbase who had a similarly poor recent history would do), but I do find it wearisome that if you don't like being 16th with an old squad and a 'stuck in his ways' coach, you're an impatient wailer with no long-term thinking, and not someone who gave the matter just as much consideration as someone who wanted Askey to stay, but merely came up with a different conclusion.

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3 hours ago, PV1973 said:

The fans had no patience when a bad run came along.

OK, so during a normal year, that might create a toxic atmosphere inside the stadium, transmitting itself over to the players. It might also mean lower attendances affecting the club financially.

But this year, what's the worst thing the fans have done? Wrote a few mean things on the internet?

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5 hours ago, stupers said:
Our final 3 shortlist is..................
 
Danny Cowley
David Flitcroft
John McGreal
 
Out of those three, who do you think it will be?!

Flickers. Would be chuffed enough with that to be honest.

Seems quite possible at this point!

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6 hours ago, stupers said:

Our final 3 shortlist is..................

 

Danny Cowley

David Flitcroft

John McGreal

 

Out of those three, who do you think it will be?!

Danny Cowley for me. If I wanted Port Vale to be a club with talented , hard working players  who don’t down tools and behave like spoiled brats , and a sense of community about it, coupled with a manager who will get respect the minute he walked in the door ,  I would go through a brick wall to get him. It doesn’t sound like he will be the one , and maybe he he’s not interested, but I’m still hoping . 
If he is hired, Port Vale FC will be transformed, and we could see  the good times returning to Vale Park. UTV 

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29 minutes ago, Houston Valiant said:

Danny Cowley for me. If I wanted Port Vale to be a club with talented , hard working players  who don’t down tools and behave like spoiled brats , and a sense of community about it, coupled with a manager who will get respect the minute he walked in the door ,  I would go through a brick wall to get him. It doesn’t sound like he will be the one , and maybe he he’s not interested, but I’m still hoping . 
If he is hired, Port Vale FC will be transformed, and we could see  the good times returning to Vale Park. UTV 

Good call mate, he certainly would get the juices flowing! Looks unlikely to be him as you say, but what an appointment it would have been!

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14 hours ago, PV1973 said:

I’d like to see the Crowley brothers. But there’s no way any manager is going to get the time. Look at what happened with Aspin and Askey, even though they had initially achieved their short term targets, as soon  as a bad run comes around (which it will in any managerial reign) then the pitch forks and lit torches are out in force.  

Askey was in charge for 23 months.

Aspin for 16 months (as good as).

What is the average tenure for managers in League 2?

How long, on average, do other clubs fans go before "the pitch forks and lit torches are out in force"? Are we particularly different to other clubs?

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1 hour ago, The Kalamazoo Kid said:

Askey was in charge for 23 months.

Aspin for 16 months (as good as).

What is the average tenure for managers in League 2?

How long, on average, do other clubs fans go before "the pitch forks and lit torches are out in force"? Are we particularly different to other clubs?

Longest serving managers

The above link shows all the current managers in the top 92, in the current climate I think you are probably doing well as a manager if you manage to last 3-4 seasons.

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2 hours ago, valerule4ever said:

Longest serving managers

The above link shows all the current managers in the top 92, in the current climate I think you are probably doing well as a manager if you manage to last 3-4 seasons.

Looking at that list, Askey was the 6th longest-serving manager in League 2 at the time of his sacking.

Seems that "pitch forks and lit torches" are regularly "out in force" among clubs across the country then, and not just here at Port Vale!........you'd never have thought so, according to some on here who can't wait to shout down anyone that dares to offer a critical opinion, and make out that Vale fans are the most destructive moaners in the League! (that's not a dig at PV1973 specifically, who is one of the better posters on here IMO)

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1 hour ago, The Kalamazoo Kid said:

Looking at that list, Askey was the 6th longest serving manager in League 2 at the time of his sacking.

Seems that "pitch forks and lit torches" are regularly "out in force" among clubs across the country then, and not just here at Port Vale!........you'd never have thought so, according to some on here who can't wait to shout down anyone that dares to offer a critical opinion, and make out that Vale fans are the most destructive moaners in the League! (that's not a dig at PV1973 specifically, who is one of the better posters on here IMO)

When you consider the time we've had of it since 2003, I think we're a very patient and accepting fanbase.

We've seen more administrations than promotions this century. 

One top 6 finish since 1993. ONE. IN 30 YEARS. We've made it past the third round of the FA Cup twice in the same timeframe, and once in the League Cup.

Add in the success that Stoke have enjoyed in the same timeframe.

This is why I get tired of fans being consistently battered. It's been largely horrendous being attached to this football club since 2000, through the fault of many, many frauds, both on and off the pitch.

Give us a bit of slack. The expectation of Vale fans to sit calmly and without grievance as another season goes down the swanny is so confusing to me. Just folk sick of their football team being a shambles.

 

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15 minutes ago, Joe B said:

When you consider the time we've had of it since 2003, I think we're a very patient and accepting fanbase.

We've seen more administrations than promotions this century. 

One top 6 finish since 1993. ONE. IN 30 YEARS. We've made it past the third round of the FA Cup twice in the same timeframe, and once in the League Cup.

Add in the success that Stoke have enjoyed in the same timeframe.

This is why I get tired of fans being consistently battered. It's been largely horrendous being attached to this football club since 2000, through the fault of many, many frauds, both on and off the pitch.

Give us a bit of slack. The expectation of Vale fans to sit calmly and without grievance as another season goes down the swanny is so confusing to me. Just folk sick of their football team being a shambles.

 

I tried to work out how many promotions I'd seen in 62 odd years and I think it was 4, Gordon Lee, John McGrath, John Rudge and Micky Adams, so that's every 20 years approx. Ive never seen us be champions and the best of that period was a short spell in the 90's under Rudge.

I could be 88 before we go up again...................................................................................................!!

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Snap for me! 54 years of supporting the Vale and 46 grounds visited!

Any manager from Crowley, Flitcroft. Adams for me. I just want effort, passionate players who LEARN from mistakes and improve.

It will be great to see youth added to the squad as we acknowledge players who have given the club good service!

Onwards and upwards I hope! We have the foundations, so as fans, get behind whoever and move forward.

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