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57 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

The  glaring example of not keeping tight control, there is always someone fiddling the system. 

But here lies the problem with the whole idea of a salary cap.

It’s alright having these financial rules in place (don’t we still have FFP ?) but do the relevant authorities have the gumption to spot any fiscal misdemeanors and act with immediate effect ?

Sarries have broken the rules for at least the last three seasons. Football is littered with clubs (or more accurately unscrupulous owners)  doing similar things and yet the PL & EFL continue to do sweet FA until the horse has well and truly bolted.

Putting rules (or salary caps) in place is one thing. But unless the relevant governing bodies have the cojones to punish offenders swiftly and harshly, the same old problems will rear their ugly heads ad infinitum.

Do you have trust in the FA & EFL to act in this manner ? After all, these are the very people who said that rogues like Smurfthwaite and many, many others were “fit and proper” owners. 

Something needs to be done of that there is no doubt, but I don’t see a salary cap being it.

Although not allowing crooks, vagabonds and other fly by nights to take charge of our precious clubs might be a good start. 

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19 minutes ago, RailwayRowdy said:

But here lies the problem with the whole idea of a salary cap.

It’s alright having these financial rules in place (don’t we still have FFP ?) but do the relevant authorities have the gumption to spot any fiscal misdemeanors and act with immediate effect ?

Sarries have broken the rules for at least the last three seasons. Football is littered with clubs (or more accurately unscrupulous owners)  doing similar things and yet the PL & EFL continue to do sweet FA until the horse has well and truly bolted.

Putting rules (or salary caps) in place is one thing. But unless the relevant governing bodies have the cojones to punish offenders swiftly and harshly, the same old problems will rear their ugly heads ad infinitum.

Do you have trust in the FA & EFL to act in this manner ? After all, these are the very people who said that rogues like Smurfthwaite and many, many others were “fit and proper” owners. 

Something needs to be done of that there is no doubt, but I don’t see a salary cap being it.

Although not allowing crooks, vagabonds and other fly by nights to take charge of our precious clubs might be a good start. 

Football needs a shake-up more than one aspect, perhaps it will be forced upon the game due to the pandemic,  not before time but don`t hold your breath.

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The NRL has a salary cap, however there is often teams accused of "creative accounting" and inventive salary structures. Some of the Sydney teams apparently sign over properties, cars etc that don't fall under the scope of salary.

While I agree with the idea of a salary cap, there is always a way around it.

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Rugby union is a much smaller sport than football. Comparison is interesting but has some limitations The credibility of the financial control and sport in England is in question when the dominant team in the last decade winning 5 English championships and 3 European championships is being sanctioned and relegated. Also, a situation has arisen where players have gone abroad to play because they could achieve higher pay, but are then barred from playing for England. So the spectators in England cannot see some top players , England's competitiveness is harmed by they're not being available to select and the individual players have their career harmed by a discriminatory action. Rugby as a whole is struggling to expand in popularity and being taken up. A factor in that is fragmentation of governance across the world. So there is Northern and Southern hemispheres plus Argentina. The teams in the Southern hemisphere can't get access to the level of crowds; even New Zealand v Australia games don't fill stadiums outside a world cup. The second largest ever rugby union attendance in New Zealand was v France and the highest v South Africa with the Lions filling a few spaces near the top. So even football's governance, with two problem characters leading FIFA and UEFA for many years, does better than that. 

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On 22/05/2020 at 22:23, Rampant Zebra said:

I thought that this thread was about economically priced headgear...

Tony Pulis has purchased all of those 

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I have pondered this and feel the idea of budget caps, alongside the cancellation of league 2 is creating a 2 tier football league.

My concern is once you get some rules that differ between the divisions of the league, you will end up with enabling even more further down the line.

In the long term it will lead to further splits and ultimately a disjointed league system. 

I don’t get the arguments over saying a budget cap would stop overspending and owner incompetence. Smurfwaite did overspend at Vale but he overspent on rubbish and wasted money on silly viability studies like on Vale Park pubs and flats.

An idiot and incompetent will always damage the club, no matter what wider safeguards are put in place. 

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What stops a team signing a player on £1500 per week ( top of wage cap) and then adds his brother to the scouting staff at £1500 a week to watch 1 game per week who gives £1000 a week to the player. Nothing illegal but it gets around the rules

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The brother, on £78k / year as scout would end up after tax with £1,024.24 / wk...so £24.24 in pocket, but would also pay higher tax on his other income, so would lose out that way. Not the best example - but I do agree with you that there are ways around this kind of cap. It's one of the reasons I believe all football clubs should be a franchise - much more stringent control and oversight. 

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At League 2 level there is a need for a new approach. For me, footballers are inherently part time. Training can't last more than 3 hours a day. So there is scope  for part time players forming part of the squad. That requires players who want to do that and have the right level of ability to be identified and come forward. In the past some very good players have played for clubs on an amateur basis albeit we need to go back to the first half of the 20th century for that to prevalent. 

So lets look at the nature of our economy presently. 45% of office based workers are home based. Jobs in IT, for example, could flex hours of work without a great deal of impact. So I guess it is discriminatory against work placed based players, but they can change career if they wish. Students would think this is great!

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Might have been discussed already, so apologies if so.

How does the proposed £1.25k compare to current salaries?

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41 minutes ago, SFBT said:

Might have been discussed already, so apologies if so.

How does the proposed £1.25k compare to current salaries?

I would guess we operate around £1.25m annually, maybe a tad more. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I would guess we operate around £1.25m annually, maybe a tad more. 

I thought I remembered a number of £1.4m from somewhere, but I might be going mad. I'm also not sure if that was total salaries including back office.

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I don't follow Rugby Union, but I have seen stuff about Saracens being relegated .

Was that related to breaking the salary cap ? 

If so it begs the question how is it policed ? I get the demotion but surely intervention is better in the first place . 

If it was nothing to do with salaries ignore my post !! 

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28 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

I don't follow Rugby Union, but I have seen stuff about Saracens being relegated .

Was that related to breaking the salary cap ? 

If so it begs the question how is it policed ? I get the demotion but surely intervention is better in the first place . 

If it was nothing to do with salaries ignore my post !! 

I think was was to do with the cap... I think it was to do with the Chairman "Investing" in businesses that the players set up therefore effectively paying them more and then not declaring.

His argument was that players careers are short and Im helping them have a life after rugby.

Everyone else's view was "But that's why you have attracted a load of big names so its against the spirit"

Amazingly, Gordon Taylor from the PFA says that we shouldn't have a salary cap in football because it would lead to teams being demoted like Saracens.... surely breaching the cap got them relegated rather than the cap itself.

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3 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

I think was was to do with the cap... I think it was to do with the Chairman "Investing" in businesses that the players set up therefore effectively paying them more and then not declaring.

His argument was that players careers are short and Im helping them have a life after rugby.

Everyone else's view was "But that's why you have attracted a load of big names so its against the spirit"

Amazingly, Gordon Taylor from the PFA says that we shouldn't have a salary cap in football because it would lead to teams being demoted like Saracens.... surely breaching the cap got them relegated rather than the cap itself.

I struggle to comprehend why he is still in charge into his 70's and on about 4 Million a year ?

Brendan Batson would of been a decent replacement but I was amazed to see he is 67 

After him I can only think of Ben Purkiss !! 

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