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36 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

How can a salary cap be legally enforced?  

The league would have access to the club books, then fine/deduct points for offences. Payments /benefits off the books are a different matter. Bit like a tax system .  

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22 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Is it legal to restrict someone's earnings?

Rugby League and Union have both worked around it and we aren't in the EU anymore. Its not restricting and individuals wages just the collective. You restrict everyone's wage when you agree a salary or hourly rate. 

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57 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

The  glaring example of not keeping tight control, there is always someone fiddling the system. 

But here lies the problem with the whole idea of a salary cap.

It’s alright having these financial rules in place (don’t we still have FFP ?) but do the relevant authorities have the gumption to spot any fiscal misdemeanors and act with immediate effect ?

Sarries have broken the rules for at least the last three seasons. Football is littered with clubs (or more accurately unscrupulous owners)  doing similar things and yet the PL & EFL continue to do sweet FA until the horse has well and truly bolted.

Putting rules (or salary caps) in place is one thing. But unless the relevant governing bodies have the cojones to punish offenders swiftly and harshly, the same old problems will rear their ugly heads ad infinitum.

Do you have trust in the FA & EFL to act in this manner ? After all, these are the very people who said that rogues like Smurfthwaite and many, many others were “fit and proper” owners. 

Something needs to be done of that there is no doubt, but I don’t see a salary cap being it.

Although not allowing crooks, vagabonds and other fly by nights to take charge of our precious clubs might be a good start. 

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19 minutes ago, RailwayRowdy said:

But here lies the problem with the whole idea of a salary cap.

It’s alright having these financial rules in place (don’t we still have FFP ?) but do the relevant authorities have the gumption to spot any fiscal misdemeanors and act with immediate effect ?

Sarries have broken the rules for at least the last three seasons. Football is littered with clubs (or more accurately unscrupulous owners)  doing similar things and yet the PL & EFL continue to do sweet FA until the horse has well and truly bolted.

Putting rules (or salary caps) in place is one thing. But unless the relevant governing bodies have the cojones to punish offenders swiftly and harshly, the same old problems will rear their ugly heads ad infinitum.

Do you have trust in the FA & EFL to act in this manner ? After all, these are the very people who said that rogues like Smurfthwaite and many, many others were “fit and proper” owners. 

Something needs to be done of that there is no doubt, but I don’t see a salary cap being it.

Although not allowing crooks, vagabonds and other fly by nights to take charge of our precious clubs might be a good start. 

Football needs a shake-up more than one aspect, perhaps it will be forced upon the game due to the pandemic,  not before time but don`t hold your breath.

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The NRL has a salary cap, however there is often teams accused of "creative accounting" and inventive salary structures. Some of the Sydney teams apparently sign over properties, cars etc that don't fall under the scope of salary.

While I agree with the idea of a salary cap, there is always a way around it.

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Rugby union is a much smaller sport than football. Comparison is interesting but has some limitations The credibility of the financial control and sport in England is in question when the dominant team in the last decade winning 5 English championships and 3 European championships is being sanctioned and relegated. Also, a situation has arisen where players have gone abroad to play because they could achieve higher pay, but are then barred from playing for England. So the spectators in England cannot see some top players , England's competitiveness is harmed by they're not being available to select and the individual players have their career harmed by a discriminatory action. Rugby as a whole is struggling to expand in popularity and being taken up. A factor in that is fragmentation of governance across the world. So there is Northern and Southern hemispheres plus Argentina. The teams in the Southern hemisphere can't get access to the level of crowds; even New Zealand v Australia games don't fill stadiums outside a world cup. The second largest ever rugby union attendance in New Zealand was v France and the highest v South Africa with the Lions filling a few spaces near the top. So even football's governance, with two problem characters leading FIFA and UEFA for many years, does better than that. 

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I have pondered this and feel the idea of budget caps, alongside the cancellation of league 2 is creating a 2 tier football league.

My concern is once you get some rules that differ between the divisions of the league, you will end up with enabling even more further down the line.

In the long term it will lead to further splits and ultimately a disjointed league system. 

I don’t get the arguments over saying a budget cap would stop overspending and owner incompetence. Smurfwaite did overspend at Vale but he overspent on rubbish and wasted money on silly viability studies like on Vale Park pubs and flats.

An idiot and incompetent will always damage the club, no matter what wider safeguards are put in place. 

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What stops a team signing a player on £1500 per week ( top of wage cap) and then adds his brother to the scouting staff at £1500 a week to watch 1 game per week who gives £1000 a week to the player. Nothing illegal but it gets around the rules

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The brother, on £78k / year as scout would end up after tax with £1,024.24 / wk...so £24.24 in pocket, but would also pay higher tax on his other income, so would lose out that way. Not the best example - but I do agree with you that there are ways around this kind of cap. It's one of the reasons I believe all football clubs should be a franchise - much more stringent control and oversight. 

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At League 2 level there is a need for a new approach. For me, footballers are inherently part time. Training can't last more than 3 hours a day. So there is scope  for part time players forming part of the squad. That requires players who want to do that and have the right level of ability to be identified and come forward. In the past some very good players have played for clubs on an amateur basis albeit we need to go back to the first half of the 20th century for that to prevalent. 

So lets look at the nature of our economy presently. 45% of office based workers are home based. Jobs in IT, for example, could flex hours of work without a great deal of impact. So I guess it is discriminatory against work placed based players, but they can change career if they wish. Students would think this is great!

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