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There is no ideal situation but it’s becoming obvious we can’t finish the season anytime soon unless heavily financed by the top flight and that isn’t looking likely.

Can understand McAnthonys frustration, been going on for weeks of the EFL saying we want to finish etc rather than just make the decisions that seemed obvious earlier and keep clubs hanging on in the hope. Plus is we are in Exeter’s position right now we would be spitting blood as everyone will preference the outcome that is best for their team. Tranmere for example will be relegated when they had a great chance to escape based on form, Stevenage now could kick off because of the Macc point deductions meaning they now had a chance. (Assume they will roll over to next year now)

Notts County felt they should get the second promotion spot as they finished 23rd last year believe it or not! Over Harrogate who seem set to. (Nice away trip that one)

Next season is now looking a problem too as the same issues will be there certainly for the first 8-9 games if not longer with crowds banned and that reliant on no second peak or hit in the autumn, Holland have gone as far as no crowds until a vaccine which is that applies here could rule out the whole of next season.

Either way we should hopefully go into football if it does start next season stronger than most with this squad largely intact and in a position to build on our form and be able to hopefully not get a phantom promotion with no fans but be able to party together with Askey and the owners driving us to promotion.

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Now beginning to think it might be best to just restart where we left off, same weekend in March next year if even that's safe to, and finish our final 9 2019/20's games March >May 2021 and rename the season 2019/20/21 cz I can't see how a September start 2020-21 season is going to work given we might have to have a second lockdown in the late autumn/winter if no cure/vaccine's been found that works.

But there is of course the financial implications of L1/L2 clubs dealing with contracts etc etc...

Not overly happy either about awarding promotions/relegations without completing a season. Another possibility would be to award the top team 24 pts bonus right down to Stevenage getting 1 for the next season based on their current league position. We'd get +17 I think and that would go some way to compensate for teams missing out/lucky escapes. End of season would have massive points tallies though.

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The uncertainty needs to be removed. Its a chunky thing. So if it is decided there will be no crowds before everyone is vaccinated then that means next season is behind closed doors or isn't played. In effect that also determines how this season is or isn't played out. 

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When League 2 gets cancelled, which is looking more likely and imminent, you would expect Vale to be fairly quick to announce the retained list and release those out of contract that are not required (it would have been announced by now if the season had finished as scheduled 2 weeks ago today).

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We could easily restart the season later this year with new squads. Consider it a mid season transfer window.

Ends the uncertainty and gives lots of room for things to develop. Clubs can release players now and don't need to go back to training until August. Season restarts for 9 weeks, winter break and then next season is a regional split north south with 2 automatic promotion spots and and 2 playoffs that are played between 2nd and 3rd teams north Vs south. 

No additional costs for restarting the season and it's not unfair to any club.

I don't see a single issue here. 

Cancel the season now and what happens come September if they can't start on time? Could go on forever. 

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14 minutes ago, Emile said:

We could easily restart the season later this year with new squads. Consider it a mid season transfer window.

Ends the uncertainty and gives lots of room for things to develop. Clubs can release players now and don't need to go back to training until August. Season restarts for 9 weeks, winter break and then next season is a regional split north south with 2 automatic promotion spots and and 2 playoffs that are played between 2nd and 3rd teams north Vs south. 

No additional costs for restarting the season and it's not unfair to any club.

I don't see a single issue here. 

Cancel the season now and what happens come September if they can't start on time? Could go on forever. 

I just think the integrity of the game is gone if we change rules, squads and leagues. Football needs to take a back seat until everything is back to whatever the new normal will be. If it wasnt for the money in the game noone would better an eyelid. What's happening with cricket, rugby, golf? They are prepared to wait until the crisis is over. Why should football be different? 

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6 minutes ago, WV said:

I just think the integrity of the game is gone if we change rules, squads and leagues. Football needs to take a back seat until everything is back to whatever the new normal will be. If it wasnt for the money in the game noone would better an eyelid. What's happening with cricket, rugby, golf? They are prepared to wait until the crisis is over. Why should football be different? 

Golf is back next week with a charity match and will restart in June (PGA tour). Bundesliga is all on BT next weekend, so they will have leagues 1/2, same as our PL/Champ. But their other leagues look likely to be cancelled, like our Lg 1/2 due to financial costs (testing etc). I do feel we will not finish the season and although it is a shame, if we cannot do it without the proper safety for players/staff and whoever they may come into contact with, it has to be a no go. Whatever happens now the Bundesliga is going to complete and it will allow for litigations, for teams deeming unfair treatment.

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The integrity of the game is gone if we promote random teams despite them not completing the season. 

 

Why bother trying to get a playoff place next season if it just gets cancelled and wiped out again 

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6 minutes ago, Emile said:

The integrity of the game is gone if we promote random teams despite them not completing the season. 

 

Why bother trying to get a playoff place next season if it just gets cancelled and wiped out again 

I don't think there should be any promotions or relegation either. 

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This season will be ended next week for League One and Two, and whatever they do about promotion and relegation we'll still be in League Two next season so there's no point getting too worked up about it.

It's looking pretty set that next season will start in September behind closed doors. So clubs just need to deal with that the best they can. They'll have had over six months to prepare. They can get some kind of income from ifollow, rework the deal and raise the prices of necessary.

Yes they'll make less money from that than matchday revenue, but they'll also not have to have stewards or police costs. Half the players will be out of contract this summer and any new signings will have to accept reduced wages because the club's just can't afford pre-virus wages.

Hopefully crowds will be allowed back soon, perhaps limited to a few thousand, or no away fans or something like that of every little helps to reduce the R0 number. Not really relevant what the Dutch government are doing, we're not in the Netherlands. If the UK government say crowds of 1,000 are okay then we have 1,000 in, if they say 5,000 we'll have 5,000 in. If they say spectators have to wear facemasks then spectators have to wear facemasks.

We just have to get on with it within the limitations of what the virus permits, what the government permits, what finances allow. But with the furlough scheme looking to be wound down from June/July then any talk of knocking the season on the head and picking it up again in 2021 has to seen as extremely unlikely.

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42 minutes ago, Wrex said:

This season will be ended next week for League One and Two, and whatever they do about promotion and relegation we'll still be in League Two next season so there's no point getting too worked up about it.

It's looking pretty set that next season will start in September behind closed doors. So clubs just need to deal with that the best they can. They'll have had over six months to prepare. They can get some kind of income from ifollow, rework the deal and raise the prices of necessary.

Yes they'll make less money from that than matchday revenue, but they'll also not have to have stewards or police costs. Half the players will be out of contract this summer and any new signings will have to accept reduced wages because the club's just can't afford pre-virus wages.

Hopefully crowds will be allowed back soon, perhaps limited to a few thousand, or no away fans or something like that of every little helps to reduce the R0 number. Not really relevant what the Dutch government are doing, we're not in the Netherlands. If the UK government say crowds of 1,000 are okay then we have 1,000 in, if they say 5,000 we'll have 5,000 in. If they say spectators have to wear facemasks then spectators have to wear facemasks.

We just have to get on with it within the limitations of what the virus permits, what the government permits, what finances allow. But with the furlough scheme looking to be wound down from June/July then any talk of knocking the season on the head and picking it up again in 2021 has to seen as extremely unlikely.

Correct,it is expected that the 47 League One and Two clubs will vote to end the season with immediate effect.

It looks like Swindon,Crewe,Plymouth and Cheltenham will be promoted and Stevenage relegated,based on points per game.

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42 minutes ago, Wrex said:

This season will be ended next week for League One and Two, and whatever they do about promotion and relegation we'll still be in League Two next season so there's no point getting too worked up about it.

It's looking pretty set that next season will start in September behind closed doors. So clubs just need to deal with that the best they can. They'll have had over six months to prepare. They can get some kind of income from ifollow, rework the deal and raise the prices of necessary.

Yes they'll make less money from that than matchday revenue, but they'll also not have to have stewards or police costs. Half the players will be out of contract this summer and any new signings will have to accept reduced wages because the club's just can't afford pre-virus wages.

Hopefully crowds will be allowed back soon, perhaps limited to a few thousand, or no away fans or something like that of every little helps to reduce the R0 number. Not really relevant what the Dutch government are doing, we're not in the Netherlands. If the UK government say crowds of 1,000 are okay then we have 1,000 in, if they say 5,000 we'll have 5,000 in. If they say spectators have to wear facemasks then spectators have to wear facemasks.

We just have to get on with it within the limitations of what the virus permits, what the government permits, what finances allow. But with the furlough scheme looking to be wound down from June/July then any talk of knocking the season on the head and picking it up again in 2021 has to seen as extremely unlikely.

Yes, the government is in control and EFL with Port Vale and other clubs responds to what the government requires. They need to make a decision that is clear and then the financial consequences can be worked through. I can't see this season starting up again and think we are at best talking about next season starting up. I think the clubs as businesses and companies with directors responsible in law can't run at a loss and continue to trade when actually insolvent likely to be unable to pay creditors including employees. This is why Macclesfield are being fined points in the sporting context and surely must be on the brink. So how many clubs could limp through next season? It is distressing in the league starts Port Vale play 10 games and then 3 of them are declared null and void because the clubs have become insolvent, closed down and expelled from the league. In these circumstances I think the rules need to be changed to allow clubs to be mothballed for a year and then those that could play behind closed doors compete for the season having passed a new financial test. That might mean, for example half of league 1 and 2 mothball and half play a season; with no relegation possible and a one off champions trophy. 

I also think the rules re players will have to change. Surely the clubs will release players out of contract and not be able to sign new players in many cases. But there are huge disparities here. I mean Sunderland can still average gates of nearly 30,000. So if they lose that gate, are stuck in league 1 and have players on high wages, that is as challenging as Port Vale with gates of 5,000 but much lower wages. In Port Vale's case if the squad size is reduced it could be increased again by recruiting part time players or even amateurs who volunteer. 

All of the above discussion requires the government to make a decisive choice on what the future holds. 

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Clubs could fold with whats going on now...so all I would say to those saying cancel next season and restart this after Christmas or in next march,who will be paying the contracted players at clubs for the next 8-10mths if they do that?? how many would survive that?

I don't have the answers like none of us do,we are in unchartered territory .. … for what its worth imo it will never happen a restart next December or march,a new season will start probably in September maybe without certain cups. I personally think a vaccine or treatment will be found somewhere in the world before winter which should help...no guarantee though

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