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2 hours ago, TheSage said:

Yeh, thank goodness the Tories have cut 17,000 beds from the NHS, spent less per head of population on health care than the vast majority of European countries, and have fewer intensive care beds than virtually every other westernised nation, apart from a record shortage of doctors, nurses and health care workers.

Good job we are not facing a crisis isn't it?

They have lost the economic argument and belatedly accepted Labour's model that to boost a depressed economy you need to invest and oil the wheels rather than strangle growth and encourage austerity which is what we've had for the past 10 years. The result? Virtually no growth, no real inward investment, stagnant wages and an economy that has stalled.

As Jacko says, had Labour proposed borrowing another £60 billion, spending at least double that on Brexit which will harm our economy still further, and see the debt rise to over £2 trillion, some of you would be raging. 

 

as corbyn in a skirt said when asked by Anrew Neil why they had lost the 2019 election so drastically  " we did not explain our argument coherently enough, and spoke in quiet intellectually  terms which were quiet alien, to many of our communities, " this from a leader-ship contender, so the voters who lacked intellect still voted for the nasty tories who you say are destroying the NHS...

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34 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

as corbyn in a skirt said when asked by Anrew Neil why they had lost the 2019 election so drastically  " we did not explain our argument coherently enough, and spoke in quiet intellectually  terms which were quiet alien, to many of our communities, " this from a leader-ship contender, so the voters who lacked intellect still voted for the nasty tories who you say are destroying the NHS...

She reckons it's all down to "micro aggression" and "aspirational socialism"?

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On 13/03/2020 at 12:01, Fosse69 said:

They have not said where all the money is coming from, investment does not come out of current spending it is borrowed.

A lot of it will be borrowed but in a sustainable way--what are you saying?  Let's return to austerity?

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On 13/03/2020 at 14:52, Jacko51 said:

So having spent all that time reducing the deficit because it was a bad thing they have now decided they must increase it again??

Read the figures--from around 10% down to around 2% leaves substantial "wriggle room".  It's amazing after all the left-wing crowds' moaning about tight monetary controls, they're now complaining about increasing spending--absolutely unbelievable--or perhaps not, given their totally biased track record previously!!

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22 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Read the figures--from around 10% down to around 2% leaves substantial "wriggle room".  It's amazing after all the left-wing crowds' moaning about tight monetary controls, they're now complaining about increasing spending--absolutely unbelievable--or perhaps not, given their totally biased track record previously!!

Annual Deficit is not the same as National debt increased by infrastructure spending if it ever happens,, and in any case it was only achieved by reducing health and services so that we are less prepared for Covid-19 than other countries such as Germany who have 4 times as much kit. Nor do Doctors and nurses grow on trees.

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2 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Annual Deficit is not the same as National debt increased by infrastructure spending if it ever happens,, and in any case it was only achieved by reducing health and services so that we are less prepared for Covid-19 than other countries such as Germany who have 4 times as much kit. Nor do Doctors and nurses grow on trees.

We actually increased health spending year on year though so i don't buy into this blanket "austerity" buzz word thing and I certainly don't buy into any argument that austerity has resulted in a lack of preparation for Coronavirus.

 

If we're being factually correct, then the increases in spending on the nhs have been reduced, but we have not reduced spending on it at all, it has actually increased.

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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Read the figures--from around 10% down to around 2% leaves substantial "wriggle room".  It's amazing after all the left-wing crowds' moaning about tight monetary controls, they're now complaining about increasing spending--absolutely unbelievable--or perhaps not, given their totally biased track record previously!!

 

Just a way to politicise a global tragedy.

 

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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Read the figures--from around 10% down to around 2% leaves substantial "wriggle room".  It's amazing after all the left-wing crowds' moaning about tight monetary controls, they're now complaining about increasing spending--absolutely unbelievable--or perhaps not, given their totally biased track record previously!!

Nobody's complaining about the spending, just the hypocrisy.

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3 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

We actually increased health spending year on year though so i don't buy into this blanket "austerity" buzz word thing and I certainly don't buy into any argument that austerity has resulted in a lack of preparation for Coronavirus.

 

If we're being factually correct, then the increases in spending on the nhs have been reduced, but we have not reduced spending on it at all, it has actually increased.

The NHS operated far better under the last Labour Governments, spending was up, and waiting times were far lower. I know as a major cheer leader of the current Government you don't want to hear that. But it is fact.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51835306
 
Can anyone explain this? I was led to believe that we had a FAR RIGHT government yet the most diverse cabinet of all time has basically ploughed a load of money into the NHS and come up with some employment policies which even Jeremy Corbyn has commended.
 
This can't have been what tory voters voted for? Maybe we should have a general election?
Yet they are borrowing like they accused Labour of doing.

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6 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

A lot of it will be borrowed but in a sustainable way--what are you saying?  Let's return to austerity?


Investment could have been carried out in the same way 10 years ago, nothing to do with deficits and the excuse for austerity.

 

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18 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:


Investment could have been carried out in the same way 10 years ago, nothing to do with deficits and the excuse for austerity.

 

but with having austerity, to lower the debt of labours spending, and its a fact that the Office of Budget Responsibility, was set up combat some of these issues, the country is better placed to borrow now to honour pledges and fight this virus,

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4 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

but with having austerity, to lower the debt of labours spending, and its a fact that the Office of Budget Responsibility, was set up combat some of these issues, the country is better placed to borrow now to honour pledges and fight this virus,

Nothing positive from austerity. Plus debt increased to over a Trillion not reduced.

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1 hour ago, Gallifreyan Valiant said:
On 11/03/2020 at 16:34, Regal Beagle said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51835306
 
Can anyone explain this? I was led to believe that we had a FAR RIGHT government yet the most diverse cabinet of all time has basically ploughed a load of money into the NHS and come up with some employment policies which even Jeremy Corbyn has commended.
 
This can't have been what tory voters voted for? Maybe we should have a general election?

Yet they are borrowing like they accused Labour of doing.

There's a pandemic mate.

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31 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Nothing positive from austerity. Plus debt increased to over a Trillion not reduced.

"debt increased" is the most delusional left wing myth going in my opinion. Bigger than "save the NHS" or "you are racist"

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17 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Nothing positive from austerity. Plus debt increased to over a Trillion not reduced.

if we had not have had those years, where would we be today?... also where would the country's finances be with the cost of extra support due to this virus?...

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19 hours ago, Fosse69 said:


Investment could have been carried out in the same way 10 years ago, nothing to do with deficits and the excuse for austerity.

 

Piffle!  We were in the deep doo-do with massive borrowings and no money thanks to Labour's uncontrolled spending.  Don't try to re-write history.

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22 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Nobody's complaining about the spending, just the hypocrisy.

Not hypocrosy--just differenet circumstances--nothing stand still--the world and events (as we're now experiencing) change all the time and a good government has to react according to the prevailing situations.

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On 15/03/2020 at 14:38, Fosse69 said:

Annual Deficit is not the same as National debt increased by infrastructure spending if it ever happens,, and in any case it was only achieved by reducing health and services so that we are less prepared for Covid-19 than other countries such as Germany who have 4 times as much kit. Nor do Doctors and nurses grow on trees.

National debt is still rising, but under normal circumstances with an equally growing economy and increased GDP this wouldn't be a problem. However, given the current situation and the almost certainty of a global recession, that rising debt could yet be a real issue in the years to come!

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20 hours ago, tommytunstall said:

The NHS operated far better under the last Labour Governments, spending was up, and waiting times were far lower. I know as a major cheer leader of the current Government you don't want to hear that. But it is fact.

Of course wait times improved. We couldn't afford the increases in spending however could we?

 

You should really be a major cheer leader of the current Government too. Far better than anything else available.

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