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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

You mean the one where he made a great tackle and put the ball out for a throw in?  It wasn’t even a foul. 

That ref hasn’t done a game for 12 months. It will be a huge benefit to the game in general if he doesn’t do another one for 12 months. He was clearly unfit, couldn’t keep up with play and had a vivid imagination. 
 

Sorry not defending the ref but Legge completely missed the ball and also thought he was lucky to not get 2nd yellow 

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28 minutes ago, bycarspete said:

I was looking straight down the line, so just my opinion, just likes yours 

I only asked because someone else posted that they thought it was a card and Legge was lucky to escape and I wondered if it was the view from the cameras.  I honestly think he played the ball into touch and it wasn't a foul.  Leggy seemed to think so as well, but he would!!

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39 minutes ago, pjg1876 said:

Even though the FA website has him listed as LukeJames

He is actually Luke James Joyce so hence the mistake.  I noticed he had a custom LJJ plate on his car when he arrived today.

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Well an interesting game again and both teams started the game at quite a pace but yet again for the umpteenth time this season the officials stole the show yet again.

Vale played some good football and considering they were on a five match winning run I think they were ultimately the happier with a point. Brown had little to do all game and I can't remember him having to save anything that was on target.

Cullen was unlucky and for a small lad he gets up well. Everyone played their part and if we can maintain these performances then a play-off place seems likely.

As for the officials, well my initial thought on the first penalty was that it was a corner although I called for the penno as one would. Surprised when the ref gave it but not complaining, however for him to then consult his assistant who was well over 35 yards away with a restricted view and then take his advice, well that summed up the way the game had been officiated upto that point and indeed for the remainder of the game.

For instance :

First half Vale had the ball on the touchline if front of the dug-outs and the assistant gave it out, second half they had a similar situation and where the ball looked clearly 'out' and he gave nothing (not sure if that wasn';t what led to Kevan being booked).

They also had a lad stop and wait for Gibbons to run into him - foul, we had a similar incident - play on. 

If Legge's tackle in the second half was indeed a foul then he should have walked.

Foul throws, Brown being ordered to spped up goalkicks wheras their keeper was just as bad but nothing said - the list appeared endless.

To be honest, I thought the ref didn't give the second penalty just to spite the Vale fans !.

Rant apart Vale thoroughly deserved their point and will feel again it's 2 points lost but we march on and must now hopefully take advantage of the next two games.

Final point, I think things may have 'kicked off' somewhat after the game outside near to the coaches and I said to my son that although having their 'mob' so close to the away fans adds to the atmosphere it also ramps up hostilities - something perhaps they should think on.

 

Gibbo man of the match for me although it was a tough decision and i'm sure plenty of other fans who were at the game would hand it elsewhere, and with similar good reason.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Another good thing to come out of today's game is that Luke Joyce avoided a booking so is now safe from suspension.  Unless he gets six bookings in the next 9 games!

Don’t know if that’s a good thing after today’s performance 

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1 hour ago, bycarspete said:

Sorry not defending the ref but Legge completely missed the ball and also thought he was lucky to not get 2nd yellow 

Terrible decision, never a foul, the ball had gone out of play before the foul was made and their player made the dive.

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38 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I only asked because someone else posted that they thought it was a card and Legge was lucky to escape and I wondered if it was the view from the cameras.  I honestly think he played the ball into touch and it wasn't a foul.  Leggy seemed to think so as well, but he would!!

He didn’t touch the ball and had the ball not gone out beforehand it should have been a foul but again the ref got it wrong.

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I only asked because someone else posted that they thought it was a card and Legge was lucky to escape and I wondered if it was the view from the cameras.  I honestly think he played the ball into touch and it wasn't a foul.  Leggy seemed to think so as well, but he would!!

I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw it like that!

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7 hours ago, rayzer said:

Did anyone see what went on at the final whistle when the players from both sides were pushing each other.

Mitch Clark said on twitter that one of their lads had stamped on him.

Whatever it was we can do without another FA charge.

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Absolutely terrible referee who gave us nothing all game, yet seemed happy to keep punishing Vale with niggly free kicks everywhere.

Regardless of who was to blame etc.. we still aren’t creative enough to be serious playoff contenders. Did their keeper have anything to do apart from that tame header from Cullen? We have plenty of effort throughout the team, but still lack quality to punish teams when it matters.

Why can a substitute who is warming up get booked for not wearing a vest, but Amoo was allowed to walk half way around the perimeter of the pitch after being subbed? Another stupid rule they didn’t think through.

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Absolutely terrible referee who gave us nothing all game, yet seemed happy to keep punishing Vale with niggly free kicks everywhere.

Regardless of who was to blame etc.. we still aren’t creative enough to be serious playoff contenders. Did their keeper have anything to do apart from that tame header from Cullen? We have plenty of effort throughout the team, but still lack quality to punish teams when it matters.

Why can a substitute who is warming up get booked for not wearing a vest, but Amoo was allowed to walk half way around the perimeter of the pitch after being subbed? Another stupid rule they didn’t think through.

We aren’t serious play off contenders? Have you not seen the table. The mind genuinely boggles.

And also have you seen where Cheltenham are? They created even less than us so what does that make them?

Very stupid criticism by you in my opinion.

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We aren’t serious play off contenders? Have you not seen the table. The mind genuinely boggles.

 

And also have you seen where Cheltenham are? They created even less than us so what does that make them?

 

Very stupid criticism by you in my opinion.

 

It wasn’t criticism, it was an observation and an opinion you moron.

 

Look at the goal difference column and you’ll understand my concerns.

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We were the better team yesterday, Brown didn’t make a save and bar some atrocious officiating we would have beaten a team who had just won 4 on the bounce pushing for automatic promotion. I would say we are very serious play off contenders.

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The referee did OK until the first penalty decision late in the first half, it seemed to undermine him and he went to pot after that. I was sat right in front of where the incident happened and although I’d like to see it again, it looked a stone wall penalty, the ref had no hesitation in giving it. When the linesman signalled from 50 yards away I thought he’d given offside, could not believe he had over ruled the ref who was 15 feet away from the incident, one of the most bizarre officiating I have ever seen. 

I don’t think the second incident when Conlon went down was a penalty, I think he just got the ball first, saying that Conlon was tugged back just outside the box, the ref played on correctly but should have gone back to the foul after no advantage was gained.

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For me Clark and Conlon were outstanding yesterday. Clark's ability to control a run at the opposing defenders is magical viewing. 

A testament to our defence too as Brown did not have one save to make all game.

Enough has been said about the officials- they were totally abysmal. However it was NOT a penalty in the 1st half. the criticism I would have there is that the ref was close to hand and gave an immediate penalty. for him to ask his linesman, standing over 30 yards away with an interrupted view across the pitch was insane. How on earth could that seriously lacking in any concept of what was happening all match official see better than the ref?

We would all have accepted a draw before kick off and actually , as their manager and their forum pointed out, we were by miles the better team and should have got 3 points. We are in touch and keeping a run going, with obvious camaraderie amongst our squad. We'll get there!

The only negative, for me, was the performance of Amoo. He was frankly shocking! When Brown came on at least he showed how we could get at them by attempting to beat the defender!

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 It wasn’t criticism, it was an observation and an opinion you moron.
 
Look at the goal difference column and you’ll understand my concerns.

A quick observation of the table shows we are very serious contenders.

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