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38 minutes ago, RailwayRowdy said:

Since mortality figures for the U.K. have crept nearer to our European counterparts, we have constantly heard from the daily Pravda update that we cannot make accurate comparisons with other countries. 

Possibly not, but if that is so why keep producing figures on such ? 

The figures are for our own use only really to track if we have gone passed the peak and so forth. But they're not much use when comparing to other countries as most countries are using different methods for what they consider a covid-19 death. Some only record it if they are certain thats what caused the death. If the person has any other conditions that could have caused the death then they don't record that as a covid death. Even though it probably was the Covid that killed them. Some only count hospital deaths and some countries are barely bothering in counting at all.

If we used some of the counting systems that other countries are using our death toll would seem like it was around 6000.
 

But our figures include ALL positive COVID-19 deaths in 4 countries of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and the figure is then combined across all settings no matter where the death occurs to give our daily figures.
 

Hope this helps.

 

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21 minutes ago, vale addict said:

The figures are for our own use only really to track if we have gone passed the peak and so forth. But they're not much use when comparing to other countries as most countries are using different methods for what they consider a covid-19 death. Some only record it if they are certain thats what caused the death. If the person has any other conditions that could have caused the death then they don't record that as a covid death. Even though it probably was the Covid that killed them. Some only count hospital deaths and some countries are barely bothering in counting at all.

If we used some of the counting systems that other countries are using our death toll would seem like it was around 6000.
 

But our figures include ALL positive COVID-19 deaths in 4 countries of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and the figure is then combined across all settings no matter where the death occurs to give our daily figures.
 

Hope this helps.

 

Using the Belgium system it would be about 40,000

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59 minutes ago, vale addict said:

If we used some of the counting systems that other countries are using our death toll would seem like it was around 6000.

That takes the prize as the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. And we've had a few. 

Glad to be of assistance.

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11 minutes ago, TheSage said:

That takes the prize as the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. And we've had a few.

So I take it from that you're saying you actually believe China have only had 4,633 Covid-19 deaths???? and you call my comment the most ridiculous comment.

17 minutes ago, WV said:

According to the ONS there has been nearly 50'000 excess deaths here that could be attributed to Corona. 

Totally irrelevant to what we're talking about as That will be the same for all other countries, these lockdowns and Coronavirus have caused people many new health problems that are going to be hard to know the true scale of. But we're talking the actual reported Covid-19 postive death figures of each country and how they use different methods for calculating their figures. That give vastly different numbers than the true figures.

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12 minutes ago, vale addict said:

So I take it from that you're saying you actually believe China have only had 4,633 Covid-19 deaths???? and you call my comment the most ridiculous comment.

Totally irrelevant to what we're talking about as That will be the same for all other countries, these lockdowns and Coronavirus have caused people many new health problems that are going to be hard to know the true scale of. But we're talking the actual reported Covid-19 postive death figures of each country and how they use different methods for calculating their figures. That give vastly different numbers than the true figures.

 

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49 minutes ago, TheSage said:

That takes the prize as the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. And we've had a few. 

Glad to be of assistance.

Really?

There are a lot of people in Germany who believe there has been over 30,000 deaths from Covid. They only count a death from Covid if the person has tested positive for Covid-19, even deaths in hospitals will not be put down to Covid-19 unless the patient has been tested plus a lot of elderly people in care homes will not count toward figures unless they have been tested, also there has been a lot of discrepancy’s with testing over there showing negative for Covid when the patient has. There has been a lot of difference in the way figures are given out.

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14 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

Thought we only counted hospital deaths from corona 

Not anymore, are figures have gone up a lot since we have included care homes and that includes anyone with the probability of Covid, the same way Spain takes its figures unlike Germany where they must have been tested to count for Covid figures.

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12 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

One way but can’t see that giving a very accurate figure.

How accurate do you want it?  5,000 or so?  Virtually impossible to know,  hospital figures should be fairly  reliable , but deaths elsewhere  could depend on opinions etc. Where do you put consequential deaths,?  Suicides, late treatment of cancer, starvation etc.  deaths that did not happen due to improved  atmosphere. 

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19 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

The actually numbers are pretty irrelevant at the moment.  What is relevant is the speed at which they are going down.  We can review all the data when this is over.

Of course,  the main thing is to get the full picture outside hospitals.

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3 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

How accurate do you want it?  5,000 or so?  Virtually impossible to know,  hospital figures should be fairly  reliable , but deaths elsewhere  could depend on opinions etc. Where do you put consequential deaths,?  Suicides, late treatment of cancer, starvation etc.  deaths that did not happen due to improved  atmosphere. 

I think our method is probably the best way of getting an accurate figure, i.e. if someone dies in hospital or anywhere else and they had the symptoms of Covid then it is classed as death by Covid. Yes, you may have a few cases of Pneumonia without Covid as cause but they will be very few, Germany’s method as is probably the way of many other countries of not counting Covid deaths unless tested will drive the figures down massively, not many people in care homes will be tested.

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