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8 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
34 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
What about the countries that have faired the best. Surely that’s the best place to look? Or shall we just cherry pick?

We should try and compare countries and in the case of the USA states that have similar make up. You can't compare New Zealand with anywhere because it completely sealed its borders. Sweden, although with a smaller population than the UK, has a similar makeup. Just like North Dakota and South Dakota, or Florida and California. There are more examples and in fact if you compare many places in the world with each other, the epidemic curves are very similar.

Of course we shouldn’t look at those countries who did best. Only those you pick. 

3 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

On that we can agree. I'm almost certain that they will come to a conclusion of earlier lockdown and I don't think they'll even consider whether it should have happened at all. I believe the evidence is building on that front though and will get stronger as the years go by.

I believe that one day, the harassment, name calling, being labelled right wing, uncaring, stupid, will all dawn on the people that dished it out. One day all the Karen's will wake up and think, blimey they were probably right after all. I'm not stupid, I'm degree educated, I run my own business, so I'm not just some thug off Facebook.

All this name calling....’one day all the Karen’s’....but since you went there, I just leave this here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53588201

“And in recent months, the meme has evolved into something new: Coronavirus Karen. This particular form of Karen refuses to wear a face covering in shops, won't stick to quarantine, and thinks the whole pandemic thing is overblown.”
 

think we got a Karen here! 

 

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All this name calling....’one day all the Karen’s’....but since you went there, I just leave this here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53588201
“And in recent months, the meme has evolved into something new: Coronavirus Karen. This particular form of Karen refuses to wear a face covering in shops, won't stick to quarantine, and thinks the whole pandemic thing is overblown.”
 
think we got a Karen here! 
 
That made me laugh! I've always maintained that this is a serious disease for a certain part of the population.

Just a question that dawned on me. What do you think the response to this would have been 50 years ago? Do you think people would even have noticed? I mean in spite of the fact that we've had excess deaths this last year, there are many millions of people who will have not known anyone badly affected and we wouldn't have seen the fear porn from hospitals in the same way as we have this last year. Do you think the government would have done as it has done now? Do you think they would have kept it under wraps?

Has the advent of 24/7 news and social media fuelled the fire? I just wonder whether the additional scrutiny and coverage has had an impact. Added to the fact that people interacting with each other on social media have heightened that panic. Have we lost all perception of risk because we're too easily influenced?

You can guess my thoughts.

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4 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

That made me laugh! I've always maintained that this is a serious disease for a certain part of the population.

Just a question that dawned on me. What do you think the response to this would have been 50 years ago? Do you think people would even have noticed? I mean in spite of the fact that we've had excess deaths this last year, there are many millions of people who will have not known anyone badly affected and we wouldn't have seen the fear porn from hospitals in the same way as we have this last year. Do you think the government would have done as it has done now? Do you think they would have kept it under wraps?

Has the advent of 24/7 news and social media fuelled the fire? I just wonder whether the additional scrutiny and coverage has had an impact. Added to the fact that people interacting with each other on social media have heightened that panic. Have we lost all perception of risk because we're too easily influenced?

You can guess my thoughts.

Ive no idea. But if we let it run it’s course then yes we would noticed. Harking back 50 years to suggest we’d be better off with less scientific knowledge and far worse medical know how is an odd stand tbh. I’m not sure what you think would have happened if we did nothing. Like it would just have disappeared. 

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Ive no idea. But if we let it run it’s course then yes we would noticed. Harking back 50 years to suggest we’d be better off with less scientific knowledge and far worse medical know how is an odd stand tbh. I’m not sure what you think would have happened if we did nothing. Like it would just have disappeared. 
I think it's been exacerbated by a rabid media and social media. Anecdotally there are many people who know maybe one person who has been in hospital, many know nobody. That's not to say it's not a serious issue for some people but I know thousands of people directly and indirectly and I know of one person who was seriously ill in hospital and they were already in poor health. If it wasn't drilled in our faces and there were no masks in shops, I'd be unaware we were in the middle of a pandemic. People are going about their normal business, traffic on the roads is as busy as ever, people are heading to whatever shops are open, parks are heaving, people have had enough.

I'm certain 50 years ago we would have done the same as we did for HK flu. The lantern farce the other day shows that people are getting sick of the virtue signalling.

When it comes to the point that lockdowns are shown to have caused more deaths than they have saved, will that be the point that it dawns on people? Or will it be when the furlough scheme ends and they have no job to go to? The burden will no doubt fall on the poorest and most vulnerable and the middle class frappuccino drinkers will say 'how awful for them '.

You seem to have great empathy for those who have died of Covid but very little care for any other death or destruction caused by lockdown...it's a strange anomaly among lockdown supporters.

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31 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

I think it's been exacerbated by a rabid media and social media. Anecdotally there are many people who know maybe one person who has been in hospital, many know nobody. That's not to say it's not a serious issue for some people but I know thousands of people directly and indirectly and I know of one person who was seriously ill in hospital and they were already in poor health. If it wasn't drilled in our faces and there were no masks in shops, I'd be unaware we were in the middle of a pandemic. People are going about their normal business, traffic on the roads is as busy as ever, people are heading to whatever shops are open, parks are heaving, people have had enough.

I'm certain 50 years ago we would have done the same as we did for HK flu. The lantern farce the other day shows that people are getting sick of the virtue signalling.

When it comes to the point that lockdowns are shown to have caused more deaths than they have saved, will that be the point that it dawns on people? Or will it be when the furlough scheme ends and they have no job to go to? The burden will no doubt fall on the poorest and most vulnerable and the middle class frappuccino drinkers will say 'how awful for them '.

You seem to have great empathy for those who have died of Covid but very little care for any other death or destruction caused by lockdown...it's a strange anomaly among lockdown supporters.

A few things. You’re saying you wouldn’t notice if we didn’t wear masks and didn’t lockdown, suggesting that the virus would not spread more if we didn’t social distance and mix more. Remind me how a virus spreads again?

for someone adamant he isn’t right wing you are gradually taking on more right wing buzzwords from your conspiracy pals. ‘Virtue signalling’ ‘main stream media’ etc.

What makes you say I have no empathy for the wider impact. No one on this thread has ever denied there is one. I’ve literally posted source after source detailing the wider impacts, you just keep fobbing them off. You just keep ignoring that and pretending otherwise. Perhaps saying this makes you feel better, I don’t know. But there is no ‘anomaly’. 
 

And this whole ‘lockdown supporter’ nonsense is just weird. Like it’s a team game again. I’m not cheering on lockdown. I think it’s awful, but on balance preferable to the alternative. 

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A few things. You’re saying you wouldn’t notice if we didn’t wear masks and didn’t lockdown, suggesting that the virus would not spread more if we didn’t social distance and mix more. Remind me how a virus spreads again?
for someone adamant he isn’t right wing you are gradually taking on more right wing buzzwords from your conspiracy pals. ‘Virtue signalling’ ‘main stream media’ etc.
What makes you say I have no empathy for the wider impact. No one on this thread has ever denied there is one. I’ve literally posted source after source detailing the wider impacts, you just keep fobbing them off. You just keep ignoring that and pretending otherwise. Perhaps saying this makes you feel better, I don’t know. But there is no ‘anomaly’. 
 
And this whole ‘lockdown supporter’ nonsense is just weird. Like it’s a team game again. I’m not cheering on lockdown. I think it’s awful, but on balance preferable to the alternative. 
Fair enough. I think we just have to agree that I'll never understand your viewpoint and you'll never understand mine.

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Nobody wants lockdown but it has been necessary and has worked to prevent even more deaths but I can get why some right wingers, who by definition only care about themselves would rail against it as it is an interrruption of our normal lives and has detrimental effects. However the mardarsing about wearing a mask which is a small price to pay for saving lives is beyond the pale. 

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Nobody wants lockdown but it has been necessary and has worked to prevent even more deaths but I can get why some right wingers, who by definition only care about themselves would rail against it as it is an interrruption of our normal lives and has detrimental effects. However the mardarsing about wearing a mask which is a small price to pay for saving lives is beyond the pale. 
I kind of agree about the mask thing but it goes on from there 'it's just a mask' turns into something more potentially.

On the topic of right/left wing, I voted labour in the last 3 elections, I despise Trump, Farage etc. I'm so far away from right wing it's untrue. This is nothing to do with right or left, it's fundamentally about what you believe to be right or wrong. My life hasn't been affected by lockdown, I've got more disposable income than ever and with two young kids I rarely go to the pub. It's not about that for me, but the finger does get pointed to right wingers when in reality it's people from all sides that disagree. There's a website called leftlockdownsceptics.

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My wife died from Covid in February. She had no underlying health issues and was a healthy 56 year old. She never wore a mask throughout and didnt even get covid when i contracted it in April last year. If she was still here today she would still maintain that masks dont work and the impact on our social liberties was far too extreme. I still dont believe that the powers that be fully understand how it is transmitted and the scientists certainly cant explain why some people are more affected by it than others even if openly they look the same.

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Masks have limited protection for the wearer. However they do stop the wearer from potentially spreading virus particles on to someone else. Social distancing/regular hand washing are the most effective tools .

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16 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
16 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
Not their backs,  lockdowns did not cause cancer problems it is the lack of staff to deal with cancer at the same time as Covid,, and ability to deal with the backlog.  Mental Health is an effect of continual lockdown. 

I disagree with the cancer part. The lung cancer charity said that their referrals were down by over a third predominantly due to people being too scared to go to a doctor or hospital.

You've hit the nail on the head there. Undoubtedly, not only for cancers, people have been very reticent about visiting doctors' surgeries (that's if they were open) and hospitals.

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16 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

You've hit the nail on the head there. Undoubtedly, not only for cancers, people have been very reticent about visiting doctors' surgeries (that's if they were open) and hospitals.

Undoubtably. But I can’t see how letting the virus run unhindered would make that anything but far worse.

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Undoubtably. But I can’t see how letting the virus run unhindered would make that anything but far worse.
I don't think it's about letting it run unhindered but about managing it in a way that doesn't stop the NHS from treating other things. The shut down of the NHS will and has undoubtedly led to unnecessary deaths. It didn't have to be this way.

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3 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
14 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
Undoubtably. But I can’t see how letting the virus run unhindered would make that anything but far worse.

I don't think it's about letting it run unhindered but about managing it in a way that doesn't stop the NHS from treating other things. The shut down of the NHS will and has undoubtedly led to unnecessary deaths. It didn't have to be this way.

What you have suggested is to let it run its course. Even wearing a mask and social distancing has upset you. 

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What you have suggested is to let it run its course. Even wearing a mask and social distancing has upset you. 
No, it is to follow what we have done previously, good hygiene, stay at home if unwell, protect care homes and ensure lack of acquiring infections in hospitals. Throwing a sledgehammer to crack a nut is not sensible in my opinion.
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11 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
33 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
What you have suggested is to let it run its course. Even wearing a mask and social distancing has upset you. 

No, it is to follow what we have done previously, good hygiene, stay at home if unwell, protect care homes and ensure lack of acquiring infections in hospitals. Throwing a sledgehammer to crack a nut is not sensible in my opinion.

Meaning the virus would spread.

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13 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
36 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
What you have suggested is to let it run its course. Even wearing a mask and social distancing has upset you. 

 ensure lack of acquiring infections in hospitals.

Have you actually just said that? As if IC is that easy?

Do you think MRSA has been rampant over the years because they haven't been trying enough or something?

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1 hour ago, Andyregs said:

Undoubtably. But I can’t see how letting the virus run unhindered would make that anything but far worse.

I'm not arguing against lockdowns, but just pointing out that people have been generally fearful of consulting doctors/hospitals because of the situation we find ouselves in. Perfectly understandable, but nevertheless worrying for the future effect on the health services.

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