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Over 1.8 million deaths worldwide reported and that’s if the figure is to believed, is there really as few deaths in Africa as reported where medical help is often not obtainable. AIDS is the next worst pandemic in the last 50 years and even at its worst year there was only 1 million that died. The thing is if the world did nothing and carried on as Leeds Valiant would have us do how many more deaths would there be. LV is stating there is 1600 deaths a day and we should be carrying on as normal yet we are seeing over 1000 a deaths a day from Covid and that is with a lockdown! . In LVs world we would easily be doubling the normal death rate and just because the chances of him dying is very low.
Just to come to that point, there's not 1,000 deaths per day, the most there has been in this recent episode is 600 odd on one particular day and many of those will be 'tested positive at the time of death ' . It's a common misconception.

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You’re now dabbling with anti vax nonsense. Your ‘logic’ could be used against many diseases which for which vaccines save millions of lives each year. 
You didn’t say you were going to refuse to have it though? I’m reading more of Michael Yeadon. He has also said that half of the population is immune to COVID and we have reached herd immunity because of the common cold. Are you really putting your faith in this guy over the consensus of them scientific community around the world? When a simple vaccine and face mask could possible save so many people. I saw in the news today that Some people in New Zealand had a lockdown protest whilst flying trump flags and claiming their prime minister was a communist. Sometimes it’s worth looking around and seeing what company you’re keeping and who shares your belief. 
Ultimately you don’t want lockdown under any circumstance and you’re looking for reasons to back that up. The thing is, if you look hard enough, you can find arguments to back any crazy conspiracy. 
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/a-rise-in-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-starting-in-september-2020-contradicts-the-claim-by-michael-yeadon-that-the-pandemic-is-fundamentally-over-in-the-u-k/
I'm also not trying to kill people. Many more people will succumb to the effects of the lockdown than the virus.

The basis of Yeadon's argument is that the PCR test is creating a pseudo epidemic, because we are running tests at such a high sensitivity that it is picking up old or dead virus. The inventor of the test said that you can find anything you want to find with these tests. His argument is that once you catch a coronavirus, then you are immune, it's page one rule one of virology. He also says that viruses do not come in waves and that asymptomatic spread is biologically highly unlikely. He's not a lone nutter in this, there are many, many eminent scientists that agree. He and others have never denied that there was a serious and deadly virus back in April last year which created a significant number of excess deaths. The data in this 'wave ' does not suggest anything out of the ordinary in terms of overall mortality.

There are many people who are lockdown sceptics, not just a few nutters on YouTube, but the prevailing and relentless propoganda has been to regard them as such.

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6 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
13 hours ago, Andyregs said:
You’re now dabbling with anti vax nonsense. Your ‘logic’ could be used against many diseases which for which vaccines save millions of lives each year. 
You didn’t say you were going to refuse to have it though? I’m reading more of Michael Yeadon. He has also said that half of the population is immune to COVID and we have reached herd immunity because of the common cold. Are you really putting your faith in this guy over the consensus of them scientific community around the world? When a simple vaccine and face mask could possible save so many people. I saw in the news today that Some people in New Zealand had a lockdown protest whilst flying trump flags and claiming their prime minister was a communist. Sometimes it’s worth looking around and seeing what company you’re keeping and who shares your belief. 
Ultimately you don’t want lockdown under any circumstance and you’re looking for reasons to back that up. The thing is, if you look hard enough, you can find arguments to back any crazy conspiracy. 
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/a-rise-in-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-starting-in-september-2020-contradicts-the-claim-by-michael-yeadon-that-the-pandemic-is-fundamentally-over-in-the-u-k/

I'm also not trying to kill people. Many more people will succumb to the effects of the lockdown than the virus.

So how are you doing that?

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So how are you doing that?
By vehemently opposing the lockdowns as a strategy for controlling a virus. It's never been done before and the after effects could last several years. It's thought that millions of people could starve across the poorer nations, huge amounts of missed cancer screenings, suicides, people too scared to go to hospital, old people left to dereriorate in nursing homes because they weren't getting the appropriate care. There's many more examples of how the lockdown effects will far exceed the benefits.
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13 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
22 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
So how are you doing that?

By vehemently opposing the lockdowns as a strategy for controlling a virus. It's never been done before and the after effects could last several years. It's thought that millions of people could starve across the poorer nations, huge amounts of missed cancer screenings, suicides, people too scared to go to hospital, old people left to dereriorate in nursing homes because they weren't getting the appropriate care. There's many more examples of how the lockdown effects will far exceed the benefits.

Yet it’s the actions of those who refuse to follow lockdown instructions that make it more likely that it lasts longer, and also help spread the virus to others more. All based on the words of a guy who said the pandemic was over in the summer and we don’t need a vaccine. 

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43 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
12 hours ago, philpvfc said:
Over 1.8 million deaths worldwide reported and that’s if the figure is to believed, is there really as few deaths in Africa as reported where medical help is often not obtainable. AIDS is the next worst pandemic in the last 50 years and even at its worst year there was only 1 million that died. The thing is if the world did nothing and carried on as Leeds Valiant would have us do how many more deaths would there be. LV is stating there is 1600 deaths a day and we should be carrying on as normal yet we are seeing over 1000 a deaths a day from Covid and that is with a lockdown! . In LVs world we would easily be doubling the normal death rate and just because the chances of him dying is very low.

Just to come to that point, there's not 1,000 deaths per day, the most there has been in this recent episode is 600 odd on one particular day and many of those will be 'tested positive at the time of death ' . It's a common misconception.

There has been more than 1000 deaths for the last 4 days

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+covid&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

 

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32 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
42 minutes ago, Andyregs said:
So how are you doing that?

By vehemently opposing the lockdowns as a strategy for controlling a virus. It's never been done before and the after effects could last several years. It's thought that millions of people could starve across the poorer nations, huge amounts of missed cancer screenings, suicides, people too scared to go to hospital, old people left to dereriorate in nursing homes because they weren't getting the appropriate care. There's many more examples of how the lockdown effects will far exceed the benefits.

Also, it seems that Michael yeadon posted his (proven wrong) claims on a blog run by no other than Toby young. That in itself should disqualify it from any intelligent debate.   
He also says they were wrong about the pandemic being over in the summer.

https://www.businessinsider.com/toby-young-i-was-wrong-saying-covid-had-disappeared-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

you’re choosing these people over world wide scientific consensus. 

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There has been more than 1000 deaths for the last 4 days
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+covid&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
 
1000 deaths reported on that day but not necessarily occurred. On most days, deaths range over at least 2 weeks, sometimes even longer. Actual deaths on that specific day nowhere near that.

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Also, it seems that Michael yeadon posted his (proven wrong) claims on a blog run by no other than Toby young. That in itself should disqualify it from any intelligent debate.   
He also says they were wrong about the pandemic being over in the summer.
https://www.businessinsider.com/toby-young-i-was-wrong-saying-covid-had-disappeared-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
you’re choosing these people over world wide scientific consensus. 
I don't know where he has been 'proven' wrong , do you? Toby is a journalist who relies on access to media for his livelihood, he has to be careful. You should read the significant wealth of information he has built up over the last few months...at the very least it will give you an insight into alternative views.

He, nor any of the alternative views are right all the time, but then neither are the mainstream scientists.

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That’s a pretty big claim 
Absolutely true, even at the very peak of the pandemic there were very few days (if any) where there was actually 1,000 deaths on a specific day. It's simply 1000 + deaths were reported on that day. There might be 200 from last Tuesday, 265 from last Wednesday, 57 from December, etc.

It doesn't fit the propoganda to publicise this. Sounds scarier if you hear 1000 deaths today. In fact, if you look at the deaths by day of death, the rate is pretty flat and doesn't rise and rise. Lots of deaths in the past week occurred over the holiday period and so have been delayed in being reported.

Still a difficult situation and a lot of people dying, but it's nothing massively out of the ordinary for this time of year.
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In a little confused by the news that 7 super hubs with the capability of vaccinating 4 people per minute are opening today.

If they operated 24/7 ...... and it all went to plan....... 282,240 would get the jab in 1 week... that would cover about 20% of the population in a full year at 24/7 operation.

If that's the best a super hub can do...... it's a problem.

Surely im missing something?

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1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:

Absolutely true, even at the very peak of the pandemic there were very few days (if any) where there was actually 1,000 deaths on a specific day. It's simply 1000 + deaths were reported on that day. There might be 200 from last Tuesday, 265 from last Wednesday, 57 from December, etc.

It doesn't fit the propoganda to publicise this. Sounds scarier if you hear 1000 deaths today.

I agree not all deaths reported are from that specific day, not all areas have the same recording/reporting system.

However, I don't believe it's a propaganda scare tactic.

I would be more inclined to believe it's a diversion tactic to stop the public from looking at how poorly the government is responding.

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I found Mr Hancocks comment on flexing the rules amusing...

"People need to not just follow the letter of the rules but follow the spirit as well and play their part," he said.

Says a representative of a government/political party who "flex the rules" whenever it suits them to do so.

Do as we say not as we do seems to be a recurring theme. 

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