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I understand the reasons for the concern about the corona virus/COVID-19 outbreak but to put things in perspective, in the 2018/19 flu season 34.000 people died (Estimated 35 million illnesses) in the USA alone from the flu virus, in 2017/18 61 000+ died (Estimated 45 million illnesses).

So far, in the USA 1 person has died from COVID-19.

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On ‎28‎/‎02‎/‎2020 at 10:50, TheSage said:

It's about time that people in this country started to behave in a sensible manner and covered their faces when coughing or sneezing, and washed their hands after using the loo. 

Most men still don't do that and lots of people continue to walk around the shops and supermarkets coughing and spluttering with no attempt whatsoever to use a handkerchief or cover their mouths.

The number of times I've turned round and gone down another aisle! No wonder my wife gets cross with me when I get home with half the shopping missing!!

Sage I maybe old and therefore old fashion, but we were taught it was good manners to cover your mouth when coughing and sneezing...oh and yawning, and to say excuse me,  but like I said i'm old.

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I think we both are, Dave. And, yes, like you, I was always taught to cover my mouth, use a handkerchief (who uses those old fashioned linen ones any more?), say excuse me or sorry, and, of course, please and thank you as a matter of course, as well as giving up your seat for an older person and opening doors for them etc. I'd hazard a guess that no more than 25% of folk do these things as a matter of course these days. 

It's all a bit surreal here at the moment Geo because I'm not aware of any outbreaks in Stoke and little appears to have changed, yet. All the indications are, however, that it's going to get a lot worse quite soon and the TV and radio now are saturated with news coverage and advice.

The main advice is not to touch your face but that's easier said than done. We do it without thinking dozens of times an hour.

 

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I always carry at least 1 linen hanky. Still open doors for people, say thanks and offer help if needed.... it's become instinct, a natural thing to do without thought..... can't be many of us left.

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On 01/03/2020 at 17:39, Paul6754 said:

I understand the reasons for the concern about the corona virus/COVID-19 outbreak but to put things in perspective, in the 2018/19 flu season 34.000 people died (Estimated 35 million illnesses) in the USA alone from the flu virus, in 2017/18 61 000+ died (Estimated 45 million illnesses).

So far, in the USA 1 person has died from COVID-19.

🙄 yes but there is no vaccine for this at the moment which is why comparing it to any other illness is a little bit daft to say the least. 

 

How many flu deaths would have been prevented with the vaccine? 

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There is a vaccine to prevent flu deaths and people don’t bother having it - because it gives you flu you know!!!!! 😷

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Just read on Racing Post that government are looking to put sporting events back 12 weeks to prevent public gatherings.

Wow, the last time I read anything about the government they were saying that you needed 70 pts to remain in the UK and that they were considering, deporting Stoke City football club.

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3 hours ago, WV said:

🙄 yes but there is no vaccine for this at the moment which is why comparing it to any other illness is a little bit daft to say the least. 

Not comparing it WV just putting it into perspective with the flu virus given the reaction to the outbreak which I totally understand. No doubt the number of cases and unfortunately deaths are going to increase., it's a major event

3 hours ago, WV said:

 

How many flu deaths would have been prevented with the vaccine? 

Who knows how many flu  deaths would be prevented if 100% of people were vaccinated but studies have shown in the USA that the flu vaccine reduces flu illnesses between 40-60% in the general population.

There is no vaccine for the coronavirus at the moment but there was a report on tv here last night that a known anti-viral drug is showing potential to treat the Coronavirus/COVID-19 and being used in China.

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1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

Not comparing it WV just putting it into perspective with the flu virus given the reaction to the outbreak which I totally understand. No doubt the number of cases and unfortunately deaths are going to increase., it's a major event

Who knows how many flu  deaths would be prevented if 100% of people were vaccinated but studies have shown in the USA that the flu vaccine reduces flu illnesses between 40-60% in the general population.

There is no vaccine for the coronavirus at the moment but there was a report on tv here last night that a known anti-viral drug is showing potential to treat the Coronavirus/COVID-19 and being used in China.

I think it's one of those they use to treat HIV.

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I'm not. I would imagine Thailand folk take more notice and attention to what they've been told. I've just visited Tescos and at least 3-4 people were walking around coughing and spluttering and clearing their throats without bothering to cover their mouths. I'm not sure why we bother. My dog has got better personal hygiene than some adults. But it was in Longton so they're probably all Stoke fans. 😉

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20 minutes ago, TheSage said:

I'm not. I would imagine Thailand folk take more notice and attention to what they've been told. I've just visited Tescos and at least 3-4 people were walking around coughing and spluttering and clearing their throats without bothering to cover their mouths. I'm not sure why we bother. My dog has got better personal hygiene than some adults. But it was in Longton so they're probably all Stoke fans. 😉

Couldn't agree more, Sage.  Why are people having to be told to wash their hands?  It shouldn't require the threat of a global pandemic to get people to do that.

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43 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Couldn't agree more, Sage.  Why are people having to be told to wash their hands?  It shouldn't require the threat of a global pandemic to get people to do that.

Spot on,it is very concerning how many people walk out of toilets without washing their hands?

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Let’s put this into some sort of perspective.

Last figures I can find from Cancer Research UK (2014-16) say that 1 in 2 Britons will develop some sort of cancer in their lives.

Around 363,000 new cancer cases are diagnosed every year, of which 40% are avoidable. Of those new diagnoses, some 47,000 are lung cancer cases caused in the main by smoking. 35,000 of those cases result in death, of which around 10% is attributed to passive smoking. 

So around 3,500 UK citizens who chose not to smoke die every year because someone else chooses to smoke around them.

We currently have 85 ( yes 85 ) coronavirus cases in the UK of which very few ( if indeed any) will result in death.

So what’s my point ? The whole of the country is in lockdown over something that in all probability is not going to cause anything more than an inconvenience, but we don’t seem to have a problem with smokers pumping s••t into non smokers lungs against their will. 

But overall, around 145,000 new cancer cases every single year  are completely avoidable and here we are worrying about less than 100 coronavirus cases,

Crazy.

 

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I'd keep my powder dry for a while.

Today a patient in the NS hospital was confirmed with coronavirus. It remains to be seen what happens in the next few weeks but I don't recall anything like this ever before.

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47 minutes ago, TheSage said:

I'd keep my powder dry for a while.

Today a patient in the NS hospital was confirmed with coronavirus. It remains to be seen what happens in the next few weeks but I don't recall anything like this ever before.

Early days, I am used to having a flu jab giving me reasonable protection assuming I act sensibly. But corona is an unknown, and more of a problem with age, so more of a worry.

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7 hours ago, TheSage said:

I'm not. I would imagine Thailand folk take more notice and attention to what they've been told. I've just visited Tescos and at least 3-4 people were walking around coughing and spluttering and clearing their throats without bothering to cover their mouths. I'm not sure why we bother. My dog has got better personal hygiene than some adults. But it was in Longton so they're probably all Stoke fans. 😉

You imagine wrong mate.

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2 hours ago, RailwayRowdy said:

Let’s put this into some sort of perspective.

Last figures I can find from Cancer Research UK (2014-16) say that 1 in 2 Britons will develop some sort of cancer in their lives.

Around 363,000 new cancer cases are diagnosed every year, of which 40% are avoidable. Of those new diagnoses, some 47,000 are lung cancer cases caused in the main by smoking. 35,000 of those cases result in death, of which around 10% is attributed to passive smoking. 

So around 3,500 UK citizens who chose not to smoke die every year because someone else chooses to smoke around them.

We currently have 85 ( yes 85 ) coronavirus cases in the UK of which very few ( if indeed any) will result in death.

So what’s my point ? The whole of the country is in lockdown over something that in all probability is not going to cause anything more than an inconvenience, but we don’t seem to have a problem with smokers pumping s••t into non smokers lungs against their will. 

But overall, around 145,000 new cancer cases every single year  are completely avoidable and here we are worrying about less than 100 coronavirus cases,

Crazy.

 

The big difference of course is cancer isn't passed on by contact.

There does seem to be a certain amount of panic at the moment.

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