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2 minutes ago, Houston Valiant said:

You'll never win that argument. There's always a good few experts in England telling us how to live our lives in America, and how the country should be run. Most of them haven't been across the Irish Sea ,

yet alone the Atlantic.  It's the same in Ireland , when I go back. Anti-Trump to the hilt, and they're all experts. However, when push comes to shove, they all come crying to America for help. 

I would never dream of telling you how to live your life.  If you want to vote for a moron for POTUS that's entirely up to you.

And I have been across the Irish Sea and I've probably visited far more countries than your average American so stop making such statements.  You are the country that voted for a President in George W Bush who had never crossed the Irish Sea, or any other sea I believe?

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1 hour ago, fuzzyvalefan said:

I was somewhat surprised to see a nurse in nhs uniform getting a pick n mix in Tesco this afternoon. Now I like a pick n mix but just seems like asking for trouble at the moment so haven’t had one for a while, and I’m not an active nurse on the front line!

It doesn't surprise me.

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2 hours ago, geosname said:

The boss of the corner shop can respond to a problem quicker than the boss of Tesco.

I think he should have locked down a lot of things 2 weeks ago.... passenger travel into the country would have been my first choice.... train, boat, plane, everything..... citizens returning from anywhere straight into quarantine.... revoke all entry visas..... all sporting events closed.... pubs closed.... churches closed.... no gatherings of more than 2 people.... etc etc etc

There are not many corner shops left nowadays. The 8 largest food suppliers provide 90% of UK food, usually on a Just in Time basis with fairly predictable sales. If some people buy more than usual the shelves empty, day after day. The corner shop would have slowed things down so the regulars did not go short.  Also 50% of our food comes from abroad, so supplies must diminish as Coron affects other countries too.

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11 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

 

Amongst the many good things that Trump did was calling it a hoax I take it.  What effect do you imagine that had on the population of the US?  Did you actually watch the video, Paul.

Yes I did watch the video and there are many things Trump says which are true. I can't recall exactly when Trump called it a hoax but when the first human positive case arrived in the USA ca late Jan 2020 a travel ban was quickly put in place on people coming to the USA from China so he certainly wasn't calling it a hoax then.

IMHO Trump and Pence have handled this crisis well, Trump has pushed to lessen bureaucracy to fast track vaccine development and drug testing in a responsible manner, announced stimulation packages to keep companies afloat and workers paid as much as possible, threaten action if companies use the money to buy back stock, he's even offered help to N Korea and Iran etc etc. Manufacturing companies have changed production to produce masks, Protective Equipment and ventilators etc.

If you watch some of the Trump/Pence press briefings on the Corona Virus the majority of journalists present are from the left wing media, they ask some of the most senile and stupid questions it beggar's belief,  the left wing media needs to grow up and join the fight against the virus rather than pathetically attack Trump.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Yes I did watch the video and there are many things Trump says which are true. I can't recall exactly when Trump called it a hoax but when the first human positive case arrived in the USA ca late Jan 2020 a travel ban was quickly put in place on people coming to the USA from China so he certainly wasn't calling it a hoax then.

IMHO Trump and Pence have handled this crisis well, Trump has pushed to lessen bureaucracy to fast track vaccine development and drug testing in a responsible manner, announced stimulation packages to keep companies afloat and workers paid as much as possible, threaten action if companies use the money to buy back stock, he's even offered help to N Korea and Iran etc etc. Manufacturing companies have changed production to produce masks, Protective Equipment and ventilators etc.

If you watch some of the Trump/Pence press briefings on the Corona Virus the majority of journalists present are from the left wing media, they ask some of the most senile and stupid questions it beggar's belief,  the left wing media needs to grow up and join the fight against the virus rather than pathetically attack Trump.

 

 

He called it a hoax on 28th February when thousands had already died. "Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."  If Trump doesn't want to be attacked he shouldn't make himself such an easy target.  Some of the stuff he has said about the virus is mad.

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59 minutes ago, Houston Valiant said:

You'll never win that argument. There's always a good few experts in England telling us how to live our lives in America, and how the country should be run. Most of them haven't been across the Irish Sea ,

yet alone the Atlantic.  It's the same in Ireland , when I go back. Anti-Trump to the hilt, and they're all experts. However, when push comes to shove, they all come crying to America for help. 

I know HV but sometimes allowing the wrong message to get spread is not right. Can you imagine the state the USA would be in now if the China travel ban hadn't been put in place as early given the amount of travel to and from China to all parts of the USA, it would be Italy X 20.

Post Brexit the UK is looking for a trade deal with the USA, Trump has offered help and support whereas Quid Pro Quo Joe was Vice President in an administration which suggested/said the UK would have  to go to the back of the queue in any trade negotiations, yet every one in the UK appears to love Obama  and QPQ Joe, strange times.

 

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13 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

He called it a hoax on 28th February when thousands had already died. "Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."  If Trump doesn't want to be attacked he shouldn't make himself such an easy target.  Some of the stuff he has said about the virus is mad.

As I said Jacko, it's better to take note of Trump's actions and the outcomes rather than hang on to his every word.

Do you have the actual context and/or sentence where he said that.

It looks like old Joe will be the Democratic candidate in 2020, I trust you will hang onto every word he says as he's not known as Gaffe Biden for nothing, heaven help us if he becomes POTUS.

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Back in Blighty, the predicted shut down has begun, although I suppose it could get even tighter.

That was the most impressive I've seen from Johnson tonight - far more serious and frank. Alleluya.

 

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13 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

As I said Jacko, it's better to take note of Trump's actions and the outcomes rather than hang on to his every word.

Do you have the actual context and/or sentence where he said that.

It looks like old Joe will be the Democratic candidate in 2020, I trust you will hang onto every word he says as he's not known as Gaffe Biden for nothing, heaven help us if he becomes POTUS.

He said it at a rally of his supporters on 28th February:

"Thirty five thousand people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? Thirty five thousand. That's a lot of people. And so far, we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States.  Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

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10 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

He said it at a rally of his supporters on 28th February:

"Thirty five thousand people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? Thirty five thousand. That's a lot of people. And so far, we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States.  Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

On the 28th Feb the statement about the flu and no deaths in the USA from Corona virus is true, he's also correct in saying the democrats are trying to politicize the corona virus, they've been doing that for some time and the media continue to do it.

He doesn't actually say the corona virus is a hoax which is what is alleged, what exactly is  meant by "this is their new hoax", is it the politicizing or the virus, it's open to interpretation.

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13 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

On the 28th Feb the statement about the flu and no deaths in the USA from Corona virus is true, he's also correct in saying the democrats are trying to politicize the corona virus, they've been doing that for some time and the media continue to do it.

He doesn't actually say the corona virus is a hoax which is what is alleged, what exactly is  meant by "this is their new hoax", is it the politicizing or the virus, it's open to interpretation.

And I’m sure that’s exactly what everyone thought he meant!! I despair at times.

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3 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

So placing an early  travel ban on people coming to the USA from China, particularly from Wuhan and surrounding areas on 31 Jan 2020 made matters worse, it undoubtedly saved thousands of American lives.

Quid pro quo Joe on tv saying it was the wrong thing to do, the left wing media calling him a racist, bigot and every other slander word under the sun for it, all got massive amounts of egg on their faces now but no apologies forth coming. Similarly placing  a travel ban on flights from Italy and elsewhere in Europe was equally sensible.

Trump and Mike Pence together have done many good things to combat this virus, pay more attention to what Trump does and the outcomes not on what the deranged Democrats and left media say or cherry pick about him.

On the day Trump was meeting his health advisers to consider banning flights from China, which made the US one of the first countries to do so and undoubtedly saved many lives, what were the Democrats doing?

Answer: nothing apart from serving papers on Trump for his impeachment.

And when push turned to shove, Merkel and other European leaders refused to give any medical aid to Italy, Macron confiscated deliveries of medical grade masks to the UK and the Greeks had to turn to China for medical assistance. Yet very little has been made of this.

It seems that criticism of the lack of, or inappropriate action in relation to the coronavirus has become very selective and, unfortunately, rather partial.

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If we should pay attention to what Trump (or rather his advisors) does rather than what he says, perhaps it would help if he simply shut up?

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7 minutes ago, CambridgeDon said:

 

And when push turned to shove, Merkel and other European leaders refused to give any medical aid to Italy, Macron confiscated deliveries of medical grade masks to the UK and the Greeks had to turn to China for medical assistance. Yet very little has been made of this.

Is this true ? I find it extraordinary,and if it is true why is it not reported ?

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3 minutes ago, Mario said:

Is this true ? I find it extraordinary,and if it is true why is it not reported ?

Don't know about the Merkel bit but the Macron bit isn't true.  The supplies were stopped by French border guards but when the government was informed the lorries were almost immediately allowed through.

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Just now, Jacko51 said:

Don't know about the Merkel bit but the Macron bit isn't true.  The supplies were stopped by French border guards but when the government was informed the lorries were almost immediately allowed through.

Thank goodness for that then.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

He called it a hoax on 28th February when thousands had already died. "Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."  If Trump doesn't want to be attacked he shouldn't make himself such an easy target.  Some of the stuff he has said about the virus is mad.

To be fair, Trump was criticised for calling the virus epidemic a hoax (for example, in no other place than the DT by their correspondent Ambrose Evans-Pritchard) whereas, as you have rightly pointed out, he called the Democrats' alleged politicisation of the issue a hoax.

Big difference there but when it comes to Trump, criticism becomes visceral and tribal rather than rational. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mario said:

Is this true ? I find it extraordinary,and if it is true why is it not reported ?

Try this, in the specialist political press:

"Europe Fails To Help Italy in Coronavirus Fight"

"Rome's request for facemarks and medical gear have been met with silence."

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-aims-better-control-coronavirus-responses/

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12 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Don't know about the Merkel bit but the Macron bit isn't true.  The supplies were stopped by French border guards but when the government was informed the lorries were almost immediately allowed through.

No, Jacko - don't think that's entirely right to be fair. Euronews reported:

"France has forced a face mask manufacturer to cancel a major UK order as the coronavirus-inspired scramble for protective gear intensifies. The NHS ordered millions of masks from Valmy SAS near Lyon earlier this year as COVID-19 threatened. But amid a global shortage, France earlier this week ordered the requisition of all protective masks made in the country"

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-french-protective-mask-manufacturer-scraps-nhs-order-to-keep-masks-in-france

Which simply reinforces my point that the French, along with many of the other countries in the EU, have been looking after themselves first and foremost. The border guards were simply following the orders of the French government who then backtracked for reasons best known to themselves. Who knows why?

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