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11 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Let the blame game begin...

 

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From what I’m told getting a test is a thoroughly Unpleasant experience. Can’t quite imagine people getting them for fun! 

National capacity and local availability are  not the same thing.

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Pity the government didn't follow its own rules. A lot of them have had covid then they have the nerve to tell people who have been basically following their rule that we are irresponsible if we get it. 

Hypocrites the lot of them. 

Might go for a drive with family this afternoon to check my vision is working correctly. 

 

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

The thing is Si.  People are losing there lives.  It may be people close to death anyway but does that mean we throw them under the bus so uncle nobed can enjoy his pint?

...but it's perfectly okay to throw the 99.5% of survivors under the same bus? 

Most who have died are already on a cocktail of drugs that are keeping them artificially alive. They've had a good run. The publicly funded NHS (our tax money) have gone above and beyond in keeping them breathing well beyond what nature intended in a period of extended social stability (in terms of war and disease).

This Covid period could have been shrugged off as one of those acts of nature that we have not got the ability to control, with work done to mitigate future (probably more serious) outbreaks as the outcome. Instead our press, the government and latterly the general public have lost all sense of reality and caused far more harm than good to a greater proportion of society for a more sustained amount of time. Those pensioners financially unaffected by this will continue to support prolonged lock down, selfishly inflicting more misery on the economically active.

For me, those who continue to support the closure of the economy and unnatural, inhumane social distancing guidelines are the selfish ones.

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I think everybody, whatever opinion they have, myself included, needs to do better, otherwise we are going to end up back in full lockdown.
Its no good bickering about clarity of message etc...  we all know by now what we need to do and not do to try and prevent this exploding again.
Well said,it's obvious it ain't going away it's up to us.

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11 hours ago, SimonMills said:

...but it's perfectly okay to throw the 99.5% of survivors under the same bus? 

Most who have died are already on a cocktail of drugs that are keeping them artificially alive. They've had a good run. The publicly funded NHS (our tax money) have gone above and beyond in keeping them breathing well beyond what nature intended in a period of extended social stability (in terms of war and disease).

This Covid period could have been shrugged off as one of those acts of nature that we have not got the ability to control, with work done to mitigate future (probably more serious) outbreaks as the outcome. Instead our press, the government and latterly the general public have lost all sense of reality and caused far more harm than good to a greater proportion of society for a more sustained amount of time. Those pensioners financially unaffected by this will continue to support prolonged lock down, selfishly inflicting more misery on the economically active.

For me, those who continue to support the closure of the economy and unnatural, inhumane social distancing guidelines are the selfish ones.

I suppose we could build some big huts away from population centres for the old and infirm, erect a few guard towers to keep them contained. We could make it welcoming by having a group of the old dodderers playing soft music as new residents arrive, have a dedicated rail terminal right to the door. It would need it's own medical facility and crematorium but im sure the more active members could assist in the building and running of the facility.

If the economy is the defining paramount key to society we could expand the residential encampments to include all that don't contribute...... kids? Unemployed? Stay at home parents? Disabled? The benefit being a great reduction in the welfare spend and the rules could be expanded at any time.

Its been tried before of course, didn't work to well but that was a different time.

Mao approached the economy slightly differently, he made it the most important factor, the fact it killed millions of his own people is possibly insignificant..... well look where they are now.

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11 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Si, I dont completely disagree.  Aspects have been and continue to be detremental when we are talking about other illnesses.  I also swing towards the line of thought that the global response to this has been massively OTT.  I have concerns about how easily governments around the world were able to take away people's civil liberties and how compliant the masses were to this.  I think there is a bigger picture here, something we do not know about and its probably above heads of state paygrades too.  None of it makes sense if you ask me, it just doesn't add up.

However, people are losing lives and no matter how prolonged there lives already are, despite everything I have just said, I have not got it in me to just write that off.  Which is probably why I arent in government lol.

Pubs, drinking pubs not food places.  Dont employ alot in the grand scheme but are contributing a disproportionate amount risk... close them, sends a message and hopefully stops more deaths whilst we figure it out.

The global response has been abysmal,  countries jot only allowed it in they allowed it out.

The UK response has been ......... (insert word of choice because I can't find one that adequately describes it). Disastrous comes close.... 

Panic, bluster, confusion, inaction, misdirection, inability all seem to play into this cluster ****

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On 10/09/2020 at 03:14, geosname said:

I suppose we could build some big huts away from population centres for the old and infirm, erect a few guard towers to keep them contained. We could make it welcoming by having a group of the old dodderers playing soft music as new residents arrive, have a dedicated rail terminal right to the door. It would need it's own medical facility and crematorium but im sure the more active members could assist in the building and running of the facility.

If the economy is the defining paramount key to society we could expand the residential encampments to include all that don't contribute...... kids? Unemployed? Stay at home parents? Disabled? The benefit being a great reduction in the welfare spend and the rules could be expanded at any time.

Its been tried before of course, didn't work to well but that was a different time.

Mao approached the economy slightly differently, he made it the most important factor, the fact it killed millions of his own people is possibly insignificant..... well look where they are now.

We`d never get planning permission for the railway.

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On 09/09/2020 at 12:01, Fosse69 said:

Keele and Stoke on Trent in the spotlight,  is it true? I have been away for 50 years

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/09/covid-is-a-social-crisis-the-university-staff-and-students-filling-welfare-gaps

That stat (60% of adults in Stoke with reading age below11) shocked me but explains a lot . 

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Didn't they used to say the Sun had a reading age akin to that of a primary pupil? And that was the best selling paper way back when.

I'm not entirely surprised and it shows you how easy and simple is to influence and confound people who don't have the reading comprehension skills to understand what is going on.

Like many northern industrial towns its industries have been run down, it receives low funding from central government, has its fair share of immigrants, a high rate of unemployment and a lot of parents who see education as a free child minding club. Similar to very many old industrial centres. At heart, it's all down to money. Libraries closing doesn't help literacy rates. It'll be interesting to see what "levelling up" does for the City.

Seems like we are on the brink again in terms of cases going up and hospital admissions on the rise, albeit slowly. But we can't stand back and do nothing when in the last 6 months we've seen excess deaths climb to nearly 70,000.

I'm a bit bemused by the new regulations. I can only meet one friend inside say a pub today but after Monday I can meet five friends. Not conducive to bringing down infections I wouldn't have thought.

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Some interesting stats here.  A couple to consider:

Ventilator beds occupied by confirmed Covid patients on 12 April - 2,881.  On 3 September - 58

Total beds occupied by confirmed Covid patients on 12 April - 18,970.  On 3 September - 468

Each day in excess of 400 people die of preventable cancers, many of them of lung cancer.  Why has the sale of cigarettes not been banned??

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