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3 hours ago, bycars rob said:

The labour party are putting aside political differences to work together to not undermine the message from govt. I am not bitter but Thatcherism fuelled selfish, greedy attitudes from which we are seeing today.

That is a wild conspiracy and you have no way of quantifying it. We should all be careful not to politcise this disaster. As you say the labour party have generally been supportive of the Government on this which is good to see.

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39 minutes ago, Santa said:

Johnson’s advisers and the botched idea of herd immunity have cost us valuable time. 

We'll see how China copes over the next few weeks I guess. Their logic was apparent, you can lock down early to try and slow the tide but risk a big spike afterwards when people start socialising again.

 

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15 hours ago, Mario said:

Agreed it is sheer madness another 53 cases today aged between 41 and 91 all with underlying health problems.

Whose going to police the lockdowns the much maligned Police ? who are probably more understaffed than the NHS and stretched past their limit.

If you saw Cops like us the other night on BBC 2, Staffs  Police don't stand a chance

Not sure it's the case for all of them but I heard at least a good few pubs were packed to the rafters on friday night. Pretty sure some after hours lock ins ensued.

There was at least one round here advertising on social media that pints were £1 for one night only and encouraging everyone to get together for one last hoorah for however long it lasts.

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11 hours ago, blackdog said:

Good advice, but dont forget gloves still carry the virus .........

That’s why I suggested rubber ones - much easier to wash when you get home. 

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2 hours ago, eh up nah said:

Not sure it's the case for all of them but I heard at least a good few pubs were packed to the rafters on friday night. Pretty sure some after hours lock ins ensued.

There was at least one round here advertising on social media that pints were £1 for one night only and encouraging everyone to get together for one last hoorah for however long it lasts.

People are morons. Awful, awful morons. 

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I think it's worth remembering that the virus being on your hands won't give you the infection. The problem is we all touch our face countless times a day. I tested myself with this by using some Vaseline the other day on the end of my fingertips. While I was thinking about it, it was fine, but the moment I was distracted I would touch my nose, or my chin whenever I was thinking about anything... We all do it probably hundreds of time a week without really knowing it, and that's all it takes to give yourself the virus if you put your hand on anything where it's still lingering.

Another huge issue is just how many people are actually carrying it without displaying any symptoms whatsoever, or no symptoms more than what you would get with a minor cold or allergy. Unless there's a major lockdown where people are only allowed on the streets with permission I can't see any end to this. It needs to happen, we have to live in a way none of us have ever had to before, at least for any amount of time, for the 6+ months it will take for a vaccine to be given the green light and distributed worldwide.

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27 minutes ago, TylerB said:

 

I think it's worth remembering that the virus being on your hands won't give you the infection. The problem is we all touch our face countless times a day. I tested myself with this by using some Vaseline the other day on the end of my fingertips. While I was thinking about it, it was fine, but the moment I was distracted I would touch my nose, or my chin whenever I was thinking about anything... We all do it probably hundreds of time a week without really knowing it, and that's all it takes to give yourself the virus if you put your hand on anything where it's still lingering.

That's why hand washing is such a big thing.

Shame there are people taking unnecessary journeys, not washing their hands and not practicing social distancing. All because they say "well it won't effect me, or if it does I'm healthy enough to recover".

If everybody just spent the next two weeks in isolation then in a fortnight's time 98% of cases would go and the virus would be all but over here. Obviously that's not practical, a minority of people need to do essential work and people need to get food and supplies, and the virus will survive through those limited interactions. But we'd still be looking at weeks of social distancing (rather than social isolation) rather than months, and we could enjoy more freedom instead of being fined for walking down an empty street or whatever.

It's like being back at school when the teacher would punish the class because two or three refused to behave. They really do spoil it for the rest of us.

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14 hours ago, Santa said:

Johnson’s advisers and the botched idea of herd immunity have cost us valuable time. 

He's gone with tech. and medical advisers, they must be capable to achieve that status, if your going to chop and change mid stream we would be in a worse situation, we've got to stay on course and see it through...

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Apparently Macron phoned Johnson in Friday morning and told him if he didn’t take stricter measures in the UK the French border would be closed to us. Then we had the pub closures and stuff on Friday afternoon. 
 

When Macron announced the stricter measures in France on a Friday it was followed up by strict enforcement measures in the following Monday. 

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15 hours ago, Santa said:

Johnson’s advisers and the botched idea of herd immunity have cost us valuable time. 

Spot on.

The advice from the WHO and from Italy and China was to test and isolate asap, and not let the fire burn, thinking you can control it. We needed to learn from other countries and follow their advice.

We've very quickly changed tack after that report from Imperial College landed on their desks, proving that their theories were completely wrong. Let's hope it isn't too little, too late, but there are a great many medical experts out there who have been saying for a very long time that we needed to act sooner and learn from the WHO. Let's hope we haven't missed the bus.

Johnson has been poor and unconvincing. His waffle, mixed messages, and off the cuff comments don't sit well with me and he's not acted quickly enough.

Let's hope we can turn this tide sooner rather than later but there will be a lot of questions asked when we've got through it all.

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I agree with WHO taking the lead as that’s what the name leads you to believe, however it would appear that countries have been allowed to do what they see fit. This leads me to ask the question what if any advice has been given.?

I believe that the Republic of Ireland are going with herd immunity, so we’ll have to monitor the situation. There are still planes in the sky so as humans we’re assisting the virus. The virus is like any other species and will multiply. I don’t think S.o.T has really been hit yet and I would imagine that we’re perhaps being kept in the dark regarding the actual extent of the numbers. We need to isolate not key ppl swan off round the world for whatever reason, nothing is as important in dealing with this apocalyptic virus.

It can only be a matter of time for GPS surgeries to close whilst we put all our effort into fighting for our survival. There is one thing that needs to happen, when someone invents a vaccine to defeat the virus and that is we make more use of AI and technology. Probably won’t be able to go see your doctor again, it will be Skype or for those who don’t have such technology a centre where you can perform video conferencing. The GP will then email the prescription to the surgery of your choice. I’d suggest that high schools could operate remotely as well for all children 14 and over. I’ve chosen the age 14 as under that age there may be childcare issues.

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Horse racing is still going on in Ireland. There will potentially be a lot of children going to school as there are a lot of occupations classed as key workers.

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1 hour ago, Playa Amodores said:

I agree with WHO taking the lead as that’s what the name leads you to believe, however it would appear that countries have been allowed to do what they see fit. This leads me to ask the question what if any advice has been given.?

I believe that the Republic of Ireland are going with herd immunity, so we’ll have to monitor the situation. There are still planes in the sky so as humans we’re assisting the virus. The virus is like any other species and will multiply. I don’t think S.o.T has really been hit yet and I would imagine that we’re perhaps being kept in the dark regarding the actual extent of the numbers. We need to isolate not key ppl swan off round the world for whatever reason, nothing is as important in dealing with this apocalyptic virus.

It can only be a matter of time for GPS surgeries to close whilst we put all our effort into fighting for our survival. There is one thing that needs to happen, when someone invents a vaccine to defeat the virus and that is we make more use of AI and technology. Probably won’t be able to go see your doctor again, it will be Skype or for those who don’t have such technology a centre where you can perform video conferencing. The GP will then email the prescription to the surgery of your choice. I’d suggest that high schools could operate remotely as well for all children 14 and over. I’ve chosen the age 14 as under that age there may be childcare issues.

It's far from ideal to say the least, but to call it apocalyptic is a bit OTT. We got through the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago and that was without anything like the technology and medicine we have today. It just needs time and for people to do the sensible things.

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GPs surgeries are closed, unless you have special permission to go in.

The general public are NOT following advice. There are still lots of people in supermarkets, shops and DIY stores, side by side, cheek by jowl.

We might raise an eyebrow at what's gone on in Italy and France and Spain but it's coming our way very soon - because a lot of folk are brain dead. It's just a matter of time before we get the police and army enforcing a lock-down. Possibly within 24 hours I'd say judging by the idiots defying the advice and bragging about it on social media.

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2 hours ago, TheSage said:

Spot on.

The advice from the WHO and from Italy and China was to test and isolate asap, and not let the fire burn, thinking you can control it. We needed to learn from other countries and follow their advice.

We've very quickly changed tack after that report from Imperial College landed on their desks, proving that their theories were completely wrong. Let's hope it isn't too little, too late, but there are a great many medical experts out there who have been saying for a very long time that we needed to act sooner and learn from the WHO. Let's hope we haven't missed the bus.

Johnson has been poor and unconvincing. His waffle, mixed messages, and off the cuff comments don't sit well with me and he's not acted quickly enough.

Let's hope we can turn this tide sooner rather than later but there will be a lot of questions asked when we've got through it all.

Is advice from the WHO reliable?

They are currently being investigated after allegations of racism,sexism and misconduct at the United Nations agency.

E-mails have accused the WHO of 'crooked recruitment and selection'.

The allegations include claims that funds intended for the Ebola outbreak in west Africa were misused,with staff fabricating a mission,so that a senior employees girlfriend,a junior professional could join him during the Ebola response.

 

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5 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Is advice from the WHO reliable?

They are currently being investigated after allegations of racism,sexism and misconduct at the United Nations agency.

E-mails have accused the WHO of 'crooked recruitment and selection'.

The allegations include claims that funds intended for the Ebola outbreak in west Africa were misused,with staff fabricating a mission,so that a senior employees girlfriend,a junior professional could join him during the Ebola response.

 

Technical advice is all that matters at this point of time.

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3 minutes ago, davehartshill said:

The advice is so basic I don’t understand why people don’t get it.

People generally do get it. But for some reason there's a crowd that believe they would just be able to deal with it like they would a cold should they get it. They don't give a toss about spreading it around just as long as they think that they'll be alright. As life can be extremely unfair it will largely be the one's who had obeyed orders and took the advice given to them on board that have to suffer no doubt. Now is the time to start fining and potentially threatening the numpties with jail time if that's what it will take.

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