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59 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

Just watched the 7oclock propaganda show, where we learnt very little again, other than a few shops opening, the woman alongside resembled the Chuckle Bros, with her list of good news charts, obviously  The chart comparing us with other countries has now disappeared, I wonder why. One thing that was answered was why Cummings had done the press conference earlier. This allowed Johnson to duck answering the Cummings related question. What a shower.

Well ,if Johnson believed that load of cobblers, it is his fitness to be the PM that is in question

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Would somebody just answer a simple question I've wondered about.
If both parents have or could have covid 19 and are unable to look after their children, what do they do ?
No child minder in their right mind would enter that environment. If you put them into care , which no parent in their right mind would consider , you might be signing their death certificate given that carers are highly likely to come into contact with covid 19 on a daily basis .

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1 hour ago, tommytunstall said:

Just watched the 7oclock propaganda show, where we learnt very little again, other than a few shops opening, the woman alongside resembled the Chuckle Bros, with her list of good news charts, obviously  The chart comparing us with other countries has now disappeared, I wonder why. One thing that was answered was why Cummings had done the press conference earlier. This allowed Johnson to duck answering the Cummings related question. What a shower.

You rub your eyes with disbelief don't you?

What has the country come to?

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1 hour ago, Iron Curtain said:

In answer to that question I now am satisfied he didn’t make a second trip to Durham. 

I do however believe he had continued to lie to the public and don’t believe the trip to the Castle on his wife’s birthday was to test his eyesight given he had his 4 yr old in the car.

Lets play your game.

Do you now acknowledge that he was at the castle... you were adamant it was a loony made up story. And kept asking over and over for evidence that he was there. Cummings himself said that he was. 

I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of answering mine... do you believe his story about testing his ability to drive due to poor eyesight by driving half an hour to the castle and back with a 4 yr old in the car?

You've misrepresented me again.

 

Here's what I said on Saturday night when assessing what we knew so far:


 

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-Named witness claims to have seen him in public 30 miles from parents home on 12th April

Possible - He was known to be in Durham and the witness is named, both adding weight to the allegations.

We don't know why he was allegedly in public or if he had a legitimate excuse, we also don't have any alleged wrong doing seen as this was the 14th day after he was apparently self-isolating, and it's not a breach of any law in itself to simply be out in public as long as you are adhering to social distancing rules.

-Unnamed witness claims to see him in Durham again, days after he is known to have returned to work

No other details other than that he was admiring bluebells. You can either believe this or not, but it's a bit rich to get judgey over someone who thinks this one sounds like <ovf censored>.

 

 

 

As you can see, I said that the Barnard Castle incident was possible and weight was added by the witness being named and offering a bit more detail.

 

I also said that it was the bluebell story that sounded like garbage and it looks like I was spot on, unless Cummings bare face lied today and some evidence comes to light, it doesn't seem likely though.

 

To answer  the legitimate part of the question - he wasn't "testing his eye sight" was he, he further clarified that he wanted to see whether he was up for a 5 hour drive, not whether he was fit to drive at all. That bit is a bit weak if I'm honest. But an excuse being a bit weak is the best you have, it seems the bottom has fallen out of the allegations after so many of them have turned out to be untrue.

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1 minute ago, blackdog said:

Would somebody just answer a simple question I've wondered about.
If both parents have or could have covid 19 and are unable to look after their children, what do they do ?
No child minder in their right mind would enter that environment. If you put them into care , which no parent in their right mind would consider , you might be signing their death certificate given that carers are highly likely to come into contact with covid 19 on a daily basis .

Well, if you've got the virus one thing you don't do is leave your house!

This wasn't the case here, was it? There was always one parent who was well enough to look after the lad. 

The guidance was clear at the end of March, when this happened, at the height of the pandemic.

You stay at home and self isolate if you think anyone is ill. In most cases most people get only mild symptoms and recover quickly. So what you should do is stay at home and see what develops. You can phone 111 if you need help or 999 in an emergency, that this wasn't.

If you have a sister in law and brother and their children in London, plus friends and work colleagues, I imagine you can phone them.

If it gets more serious I imagine someone in your family can come to your house.

Public health England also said that local authorities and councils can help.

But all this is hypothetical and did not occur in this case so it's irrelevant. We can't make public health policy based on what ifs, maybes and hypotheticals.

Cummings broke the regulations 2 or 3 times at least.

Stay at home. Do not leave you house. If you have family and friends nearby there is no need to do so. Nor drive to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight.

One rule for him and another for us mugs. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

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14 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Would somebody just answer a simple question I've wondered about.
If both parents have or could have covid 19 and are unable to look after their children, what do they do ?
 

Stay home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives.

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11 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

o answer  the legitimate part of the question - he wasn't "testing his eye sight" was he, he further clarified that he wanted to see whether he was up for a 5 hour drive, not whether he was fit to drive at all.

Gaslighting liar.

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Do I regret not just trying to drive to London and seeing if I could do it? Perhaps we should have just cracked on and tried to do the whole trip, but the whole point was I had been extremely ill, my vision had been a bit weird, my wife said 'We should drive down the road and see if your vision is weird or if you're OK' and I thought 'That's a good idea'."

 

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20 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Would somebody just answer a simple question I've wondered about.
If both parents have or could have covid 19 and are unable to look after their children, what do they do ?
No child minder in their right mind would enter that environment. If you put them into care , which no parent in their right mind would consider , you might be signing their death certificate given that carers are highly likely to come into contact with covid 19 on a daily basis .

Stay at Home, should both parents be incapable with covid 19 at the same time, call in a relative/friend, or  home help/carer if not available. 

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5 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

To answer  the legitimate part of the question - he wasn't "testing his eye sight" was he, he further clarified that he wanted to see whether he was up for a 5 hour drive, not whether he was fit to drive at all. That bit is a bit weak if I'm honest. But an excuse being a bit weak is the best you have, it seems the bottom has fallen out of the allegations after so many of them have turned out to be untrue.

He clearly mentioned the concern for the drive was because his eyesight hadn’t been right... don’t try and change it.

You acknowledged that it’s an excuse.

Do you believe that’s why he went there? To test his ability to drive distances?

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3 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Stay at Home, should both parents be incapable with covid 19 at the same time, call in a relative/friend, or  home help/carer if not available. 

I'm not defending Cummings in any way shape or form, in fact he should fall on his sword and should have done when this story broke.

My query is purely a practical one, if you live hundreds of miles from family, you either have to go to them or they come to you.

No home help or carer is going to come to your home and look after a child whose parents could/might have Covid, no child would accept a stranger into their home if both parents are in bed ill, and where would you source such a service ?

Purely a practical question no hidden political agenda.

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We've got so entrenched in taking sides that it's no longer a question of what is right or wrong but whose side are you on.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me if Cummings is red or blue, black or white, man or woman, rich or poor.

But he is the government's chief adviser, who helped to frame the rules, and he broke the regulations 2-3 times when the rest of the country have made personal sacrifices for the good of us all.

He's taking the mick and he should have apologised and resigned, if he'd got an ounce of integrity or remorse.

 

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42 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Would somebody just answer a simple question I've wondered about.
If both parents have or could have covid 19 and are unable to look after their children, what do they do ?
No child minder in their right mind would enter that environment. If you put them into care , which no parent in their right mind would consider , you might be signing their death certificate given that carers are highly likely to come into contact with covid 19 on a daily basis .

That’s a difficult situation all right. The first thing I’d say is that the direct health danger to a healthy child is minimal but s/he can act as a vector for the disease. Many isolating households have ended up with a sole carer getting it and the care recipient has had care from outside the house, either paid or informal / family. This is part of the reason that low paid care workers have been a very high risk group. More so I believe than nurses and doctors. In this specific situation the sensible thing would have been to pay for the niece to come down and accept her kind invitation. The niece and child both very low risk of getting seriously ill. Older vulnerable people caring for another vulnerable older person is a tricky one though as you suspect.

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23 minutes ago, blackdog said:

I'm not defending Cummings in any way shape or form, in fact he should fall on his sword and should have done when this story broke.

My query is purely a practical one, if you live hundreds of miles from family, you either have to go to them or they come to you.

No home help or carer is going to come to your home and look after a child whose parents could/might have Covid, no child would accept a stranger into their home if both parents are in bed ill, and where would you source such a service ?

Purely a practical question no hidden political agenda.

Stay at home, they come to you, especially if you have relatives close by.  Who would be looking after the parents in bed ? I am sure lots of children accept nurses / carers into their homes, they will surely be trained to put them at ease. Nurses/carers will be equipped with protective clothing when entering Covid locations.  I would source from my local surgery web site,  where they also have  111 Covid info 

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