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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

That's not what Cummings said to the reporters outside his house last week.  He claimed they were wrong about his trip to Durham just like they were wrong about Brexit.

And to those who say, it's just because it's Cummings, they are absolutely correct.  Cummings has spent the last few years making enemies across the political spectrum.  He should have learnt the key lesson that you should treat people decently on your way up because you will need them on your way down.  If he treats people like s*** he can't be surprised when they return the favour.

Agree with you. I was responding to Doha thinking he meant I was supporting Cummings. He is a high profile figure who has advised Boris for a few years, I do not like him one bit but that has nothing to do with the fact he should go, the same should happen if ant leasing figure had done the same given the circumstances. His stance on Brexit should not come in to the situation.

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45 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

You don’t know it’s a lie...
 
If that was aimed at Boris, Farage, Cummings or Norman you would be screaming for evidence of such an accusation.

Where is your evidence that they lied?

I guess you only demand those standard when you support the cause they are aimed at.

 

If it was aimed at ANYONE.

 

The evidence we currently have shows that it was a exceptional circumstance which was lagislated for in Government guidence. The media continuing the false narrative now that they know it is untrue, is the lie.

 

This has been handled terribly so far. Hopefully this statement can answer any outstanding questions and we can all stop pretending to misunderstand the law.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

But Cummings was breaking his own rules that millions had abided to at great personal loss.

His rules? Where do you get that from?. He’s a Government adviser but you can bet these rules came more from Sage.

Not defending Cummings but I understand more why he took his children to his parents for their protection than Kinnock driving more than 250 miles to wish his father happy birthday.

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48 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Let’s wait and see what Durham police come up with now they seem to be starting a full investigation.

And let’s remember, Boris’ cheer squad will never admit they are wrong about this... they will back him whatever. The mood of the people will determine how politically damaging this has been for Boris.

I can’t imagine he is putting his head on his pillow thinking this is going well.
 
At least it’s a distraction to just how bad a job he is doing getting us through this pandemic. He will be glad of that at least!

Lets hope the police launch investigations into all the other Political figures accused of breaching the lockdown too. That's definitely what we need them to be doing at this moment in time.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

But Cummings was breaking his own rules that millions had abided to at great personal loss.

Hang on, I thought Cummings was all into Eugenics and didn't want to lockdown in the first place?

 

Is this another anti-government flip flop?

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3 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Lets hope the police launch investigations into all the other Political figures accused of breaching the lockdown too. That's definitely what we need them to be doing at this moment in time.

 

 

Surely with your love of evidence you would welcome the final answer... this investigation will show if he broke further lockdown guidance as well as  lied to the government and the press.

Or do you only call for evidence when  supporting / defending your favourites?

Thats what I do t understand about you RB... one minute it’s all about fairness and finding the actual truth. The next it’s not.

My guess is because you are biased, have gotten into this argument too deep and are terrified the investigation shows up that Cummings and Boris have lied to the nation to protect themselves!   

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13 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

His rules? Where do you get that from?. He’s a Government adviser but you can bet these rules came more from Sage.

Not defending Cummings but I understand more why he took his children to his parents for their protection than Kinnock driving more than 250 miles to wish his father happy birthday.

Of course they are his rules,  members of  Sage are quite clear on that.   Plenty of care in  London.  Kinnock was not breaking his own rules.

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4 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

His rules? Where do you get that from?. He’s a Government adviser but you can bet these rules came more from Sage.

Not defending Cummings but I understand more why he took his children to his parents for their protection than Kinnock driving more than 250 miles to wish his father happy birthday.

Kinnock should have been fined, clearly.  What he did though, he did openly and sat in his father's path a fair distance from him - he should still have been fined. 

Cummings took his child, not his children to the other end of the country when at the time, there was no need to do so.  He was in a position to look after his child because he did not have the virus at the time.  He did not know for certain he was going to get it, although being in an enclosed car for 5 or 6 hours with his wife who had it probably made it more likely.  He did not know how he would react to the virus if he got it - some people are affected so mildly they don't even know they've had it.  His wife made no reference in her Spectator article about the need to protect their son, indeed she talks about how he helped to look after his father dressed in his doctors uniform.

I am slowly coming to the conclusion, perhaps wrongly, that the child care issue is actually a cover to explain his jolly to Durham now he's been found out two months after the event. 

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4 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Surely with your love of evidence you would welcome the final answer... this investigation will show if he broke further lockdown guidance as well as  lied to the government and the press.

Or do you only call for evidence when  supporting / defending your favourites?

Thats what I do t understand about you RB... one minute it’s all about fairness and finding the actual truth. The next it’s not.

My guess is because you are biased, have gotten into this argument too deep and are terrified the investigation shows up that Cummings and Boris have lied to the nation to protect themselves!   

 

My post was clear.

 

If the police are re-opening an investigation into Cummings having already decided that no action was necessary at the time, then they should launch investigations into much more clear cut and far more serious accusations of lockdown breaches such as Kevan Jones, Tahir Ali and Vaughn Gething. Either that, or none of them get investigated.

 

I absolutely do not think that the police should be used as a political tool to try and oust an opposition figure.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/25/keir-starmers-brazen-hypocrisy-cummings-backfire/

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8 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Kinnock should have been fined, clearly.  What he did though, he did openly and sat in his father's path a fair distance from him - he should still have been fined. 

Cummings took his child, not his children to the other end of the country when at the time, there was no need to do so.  He was in a position to look after his child because he did not have the virus at the time.  He did not know for certain he was going to get it, although being in an enclosed car for 5 or 6 hours with his wife who had it probably made it more likely.  He did not know how he would react to the virus if he got it - some people are affected so mildly they don't even know they've had it.  His wife made no reference in her Spectator article about the need to protect their son, indeed she talks about how he helped to look after his father dressed in his doctors uniform.

I am slowly coming to the conclusion, perhaps wrongly, that the child care issue is actually a cover to explain his jolly to Durham now he's been found out two months after the event. 

Interesting conspiracy theory.

 

Why do you think Cummings would travel to Durham to live in a self-contained apartment next to his family and have them deliver food to his door step then?

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7 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

 

My post was clear.

 

If the police are re-opening an investigation into Cummings having already decided that no action was necessary at the time, then they should launch investigations into much more clear cut and far more serious accusations of lockdown breaches such as Kevan Jones, Tahir Ali and Vaughn Gething. Either that, or none of them get investigated.

 

I absolutely do not think that the police should be used as a political tool to try and oust an opposition figure.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/25/keir-starmers-brazen-hypocrisy-cummings-backfire/

Your post was very clear indeed.

Not on the message... but your hope and biases in the matter.

Crystal.

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8 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Your post was very clear indeed.

Not on the message... but your hope and biases in the matter.

Crystal.

Again, staggered by this website.

 

 

You will have to explain how wanting everyone in politics who is accused of breaking the lockdown is biased. 

 

As that is not very clear. 

 

Is there anything Cummings can do or say today that would make you say "oh ok fair enough, i got that wrong" ?

 

Let's say his child needs specialist care, or he provides categorical proof he didnt travel back to Durham a second time?

 

Anything at all? 

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Sky have spoken to the witness who claimed to have seen Cummings by the river at Barnard Castle.He said he couldn’t be sure what day it was but showed the reporter where he had seen him.You couldn’t make this 5hit up.

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