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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

One of the major problems we have with our MPs, and this is off topic, is many of them come from money.  That in itself breeds incompetence because they never truly understand the problems people face.  They have never really built anything and all of their achievements are on paper from privileged places of study.  The problem with the top job of Prime Minister is that it's actually really poorly paid compared to top jobs in big business.  As such, the really competent folk dont want the job...

I do know that a strong opposition to a strong government makes for a far better balanced parliment.  It's looking like Starmer is going to finally provide the opposition we have badly needed for many years.  However, and the tories will know this already, despite what the fan boys on here will say, Boris will never provide good leadership and the government will flounder in the face of opposition they have become used to operating without.  The sooner the tories get there axe out and get Sunak in charge, the better it will be for all of us, regardless of political loyalties.

Johnson is a cancer to serious politics, his chief advisor is a disgrace and his consistent tactics of misinformation via social media is on a Trump like scale.

A government led by Sunak with an opposition led by Starmer would slowly make politics credible again.

Couldn’t have put it better myself —-bang on 

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5 hours ago, Gallifreyan Valiant said:

Is is the leader of the opposition. He needs to therefore hold the government to account. The Tory front benches are struggling against Kier right now. 

 

So he needs to focus on the government that is the oppositions job. 

Agreed, hold them to account.

 

So what good is fabricating a complete non-issue from 12th March got to do with anything?

 

Surely there's plenty going on NOW that he could choose to fight his battles on? It's poor form from Starmer and it hasn't gone unnoticed. He's very lucky that Boris was off form yesterday and took the headlines.

 

 

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1 hour ago, valiant said:

⚠️ Lets be honest though being in opposition is really easily. As you can say anything. Knowing you don’t have to actually get that achieved.

For example: 

Boris could say: we are close to hitting 100,000 tests a day. Which is a great achievement considering we had no facilities for testing just a couple of months back.

Keir could reply: Thats a disgrace, if i’d have been in charge we’d have done 500,000 test a day from day one. The virus would have been totally eradicated within 7 days. It was all so simple and obvious, why didn’t you just do that. 

When in reality he would have used the exact same leading experts to follow advice from and had the same NHS, the same lack of testing facilities. The exact same british public ignoring the advice and not washing their hands etc

and the exact same death toll. It is easy to just say what was done wrong after the event heck even @TheSage and @tommytunstall can do that. 

But trying to control the worst pandemic in 100 years is much harder. This is why France, Italy and Spain are also on Almost the exact same numbers as England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

They don’t have Boris, so surely they should have 90% lower deaths than us.

But they don’t. 

As somebody who confesses to drooling over Johnsons speeches, no surprise with your comments.

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1 hour ago, valiant said:

 

But trying to control the worst pandemic in 100 years is much harder. This is why France, Italy and Spain are also on Almost the exact same numbers as England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

They don’t have Boris, so surely they should have 90% lower deaths than us.

But they don’t. 

The example you provided would never happen so not even worth a reply. 

 

I dont know if you've ever noticed but we are an island nation. This means it could have been easy to stop it getting here in the numbers it has. How many hundred thousand people have we let cross our borders unchecked? 

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5 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Agreed, hold them to account.

 

So what good is fabricating a complete non-issue from 12th March got to do with anything?

 

Surely there's plenty going on NOW that he could choose to fight his battles on? It's poor form from Starmer and it hasn't gone unnoticed. He's very lucky that Boris was off form yesterday and took the headlines.

 

 

It has not gone unnoticed what do you read the Beano. There is a different account of things in every paper, including the Torygraph. Keep it up RB Bozzer needs your support more than ever.

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9 minutes ago, WV said:

The example you provided would never happen so not even worth a reply. 

 

I dont know if you've ever noticed but we are an island nation. This means it could have been easy to stop it getting here in the numbers it has. How many hundred thousand people have we let cross our borders unchecked? 

100%...... part of the reasons to leave the EU was the ability to control boarders...... yet when lives depend on it we don't.

Common sense 1-0-1..... if something is trying to come through the door..... close the bleeding door.

One of the mistakes made.

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57 minutes ago, geosname said:

100%...... part of the reasons to leave the EU was the ability to control boarders...... yet when lives depend on it we don't.

Common sense 1-0-1..... if something is trying to come through the door..... close the bleeding door.

One of the mistakes made.

 

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3 hours ago, tommytunstall said:

Back to Germany one of them on your list. Would swop our figures with Germany. And it would be good to get a Chancellor/Premier with some nous.

Would be good to follow their healthcare system as well?

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8 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Oh sorry,they are not accountable are they?

😂 I didn't say there weren't. But you said the blame game doesn't help the situation. Yet still blame yourself. 

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8 minutes ago, ginge said:

😂 I didn't say there weren't. But you said the blame game doesn't help the situation. Yet still blame yourself. 

It doesn't help the situation when you are directing blame on to the PM and totally ignoring where it was created.

It's like blaming Churchill for WW2.

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3 hours ago, For Us All said:

Cases in Germany have just tripled?

I'm giving you several examples of countries that followed advice of the WHO and acted rapidly, either via testing or some form of a lock down, along with border controls.

They are the only methods that have been proven to have been "successful."  Nothing else has worked. They are the facts.

Germany is but one example. NZ have no cases at all and are virtually back to normal. How marvellous is that?

None of these countries sat back and said, "We can't do anything about this, so it's just hard luck if 50,000 of our people die." 

Countries that did not act early enough and ignored WHO advice have all done badly: the UK, Spain, USA, Brazil.

The difference in strategy is the main reason why we haven't done a lot better.

UK pop: 67m  Germany 82m

Density: UK 671 m2   Germany 623 m2

Average age: UK 40  Germany 47

Deaths UK 34,000+ Germany 8,000

The Germans are struggling with it like everyone else is but their R0 number is now 0.8 again and they ordered anti-body kits off Roche over 2  1/2 weeks ago - 8 million of them.

We could and should have done so much better but the incompetence and dithering by people at the top have cost us dearly.

What a pity it is that we haven't got a caring, competent, professional government like they have in NZ.

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Disagree, a lot of our problems is that we followed WHO advice too closely. New Zealand went a lot further than WHO advice, maybe why they have done very well through the crisis.

Do not believe Germany’s figures, deaths must have been tested positive for Covid for it to count as a Covid death so will not count virtually anyone in care homes, also, they were way ahead than us on testing but have slowed down massively and we will overtake them on testing, so does that mean not much testing going on then they cannot be classed as Covid deaths?They didn’t do a full lockdown like ourselves and their borders have always been very much open.

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