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There's a difference between not accepting the result and not agreeing with the result.  I accepted it would happen but that doesn't make me think it's the right thing to do.  The Brexiteers have been

Grammar.

I hope Brexit is everything that has been promised.  I am long enough in the tooth to realise that the people making those promises have made a career from telling lies without shame. The result

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2 hours ago, For Us All said:

Not really,just facts about the hypocrites who are slating us for something they've been doing for years?

How many treaties as opposed to EU rules, have these countries threatened to break??

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

How many treaties as opposed to EU rules, have these countries threatened to break??

They haven't just threatened to break treaties they have actually done it and got away with it.

Mind you it's hardly suprising when you see that it's France and Germany.

In 2003 they consistently broke treaty commitments in terms of deficits and debt levels and guess what happened.

Whether the EU takes any action against certain treaty breakers obviously depends on who you are and let's face it these two countries are the EU?

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6 minutes ago, For Us All said:

They haven't just threatened to break treaties they have actually done it and got away with it.

Mind you it's hardly suprising when you see that it's France and Germany.

In 2003 they consistently broke treaty commitments in terms of deficits and debt levels and guess what happened.

Whether the EU takes any action against certain treaty breakers obviously depends on who you are and let's face it these two countries are the EU?

Don`t you see the difference between internal rules  within the EU  and external International agreements?

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17 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Don`t you see the difference between internal rules  within the EU  and external International agreements?

I thought they were laws?

Do the EU uphold their "rules" in the judicial system? If they do they aren't rules they sound like laws.

Which is more important.....

A sovereign countries laws or international agreements?

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57 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

What I don’t understand is, if FUA and Co think breaking a treaty is nowt to worry about, why have so many legal bods resigned because of it?

Probably remainers but you've got to blame the two countries who run the EU for setting a bad example on how to ignore a treaty.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

What I don’t understand is, if FUA and Co think breaking a treaty is nowt to worry about, why have so many legal bods resigned because of it?

Why would anyone worry about breaking an agreement, worry about the consequences by all means.

Germany broke a treaty after the first war, the other parties to that treaty imposed no consequences.

Treaties are agreements that suit both sides, if the circumstances change significantly one side will probably breach the agreement. It's happened in the past and will almost certainly continue.

If someone finds a loophole in the tax laws do we expect the tax man to take no action? No laws have been broken, rules have been followed, no one has breached an implied agreement so we don't need to change what is the law? Or do we expect the loophole to be eliminated so it can no longer exploited?

We don't live in  fantasy world where everyone is honourable, truthful and trustworthy except the people we disagree with or don't like. 

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2 hours ago, For Us All said:

Probably remainers but you've got to blame the two countries who run the EU for setting a bad example on how to ignore a treaty.

It’s nowt to do with Remainers. Look at some of the ardent leavers who have spoken out against this plan 

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2 hours ago, geosname said:

Why would anyone worry about breaking an agreement, worry about the consequences by all means.

Germany broke a treaty after the first war, the other parties to that treaty imposed no consequences.

Treaties are agreements that suit both sides, if the circumstances change significantly one side will probably breach the agreement. It's happened in the past and will almost certainly continue.

If someone finds a loophole in the tax laws do we expect the tax man to take no action? No laws have been broken, rules have been followed, no one has breached an implied agreement so we don't need to change what is the law? Or do we expect the loophole to be eliminated so it can no longer exploited?

We don't live in  fantasy world where everyone is honourable, truthful and trustworthy except the people we disagree with or don't like. 

FUA and co seemed very worried that the referendum result might not be honoured but now think its ok not to honour the WA....  hypocrits.

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9 minutes ago, geosname said:

Shock horror.......

The Swiss are voting on whether to break an agreement/treaty with the EU. 

Actually they are holding a referendum of which one issue is around ending free movement, which was part of there agreement with the EU in 2002.  Much the same as the referendum we held in 2016 which was a vote to break an agreement with the EU...  if they vote to end free movement and negotiate a new deal and then within a few months they rip the new deal up, then maybe you finally have a point. 

try again Geo.

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3 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Actually they are holding a referendum of which one issue is around ending free movement, which was part of there agreement with the EU in 2002.  Much the same as the referendum we held in 2016 which was a vote to break an agreement with the EU...  if they vote to end free movement and negotiate a new deal and then within a few months they rip the new deal up, then maybe you finally have a point. 

try again Geo.

The point is

There is no point.

They may break the agreement they made in 2002. If they do they have to renegotiate with the EU. If there is no free movement there is no free trade..... you can't cherry pick.... say the EU. They may choose to break the agreements..... we await patiently for the shenanigans to start.

We may break the agreement we made last year.

There are 3/4 other members of the EU who say they are willing to break the immigration rules.

Its interesting.

Try what?..... to post related information on a topical thread?

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Finally.

I wasn't trying to make a point. I just share my opinions, some facts and some information.

If you were looking for a point you wasted your time and energy.

The only point of the thread is to share opinions, the facts we think we know and our views.

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