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Beyond Brexit - A new dawn? A leap of faith?


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1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Why would anyone want to rejoin an EU bloc that is helping Russia by importing 61% of fossil fuels since the invasion started?Germany,Italy and the Netherlands were among the largest importers,with only China surpassing them.

FUA, IMHO that's not a reason not to re-join the EU as needs must but it is a clear demonstration that current Western energy policies are so wanting even downright foolish.

Western governments over the years have allowed Climate crazed nut jobs to dictate energy policies. Renewables may be the future but are just not ready for primetime, nuclear in the right place and right hands is one of the safest and most efficient methods of producing electricity and coal and gas burning power stations are cleaner now than 50 years ago etc.

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8 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

FUA, IMHO that's not a reason not to re-join the EU as needs must but it is a clear demonstration that current Western energy policies are so wanting even downright foolish.

Western governments over the years have allowed Climate crazed nut jobs to dictate energy policies. Renewables may be the future but are just not ready for primetime, nuclear in the right place and right hands is one of the safest and most efficient methods of producing electricity and coal and gas burning power stations are cleaner now than 50 years ago etc.

We should have moved over to renewable (or nuclear) a long time ago, then we wouldn’t be in such a mess with energy prices now. Renewable energy is now cheaper than Fossil fuel energy but we delayed for too long. Saying that, the U.K. is far ahead of countries like Germany and Holland who have been very reluctant to change, the Dutch have now resorted to going back to coal because of the price hikes.

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11 hours ago, For Us All said:

Why would anyone want to rejoin an EU bloc that is helping Russia by importing 61% of fossil fuels since the invasion started?Germany,Italy and the Netherlands were among the largest importers,with only China surpassing them.

That's an interesting take. How would you describe The Gulf states?

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1 hour ago, hillmanhunter said:

That's an interesting take. How would you describe The Gulf states?

Far better than Russia at this current time, but we are way ahead of those countries mentioned on renewable energy, at least we are looking to the future for our energy more so than our EU neighbours.

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Just now, philpvfc said:

Far better than Russia at this current time, but we are way ahead of those countries mentioned on renewable energy, at least we are looking to the future for our energy more so than our EU neighbours.

That doesn't really answer my question. How about this. Are you happy that we trade with The Gulf states? China? 

I'd also just like to point out that 'realpolitik' is a German word.

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9 hours ago, hillmanhunter said:

That doesn't really answer my question. How about this. Are you happy that we trade with The Gulf states? China? 

I'd also just like to point out that 'realpolitik' is a German word.

And I answered your question IMO.

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23 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

And I answered your question IMO.

Alright. Let's define Germany as not as bad as Russia as well. So if we were in The EU we'd be aligned with a country that's not as bad as Russia. We're currently trying to negotiate a trade deal with The Gulf states who are defined by you as also being not as bad as Russia. What's the problem?

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7 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

Alright. Let's define Germany as not as bad as Russia as well. So if we were in The EU we'd be aligned with a country that's not as bad as Russia. We're currently trying to negotiate a trade deal with The Gulf states who are defined by you as also being not as bad as Russia. What's the problem?

You’re trying to argue for arguments sake.

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23 hours ago, philpvfc said:

We should have moved over to renewable (or nuclear) a long time ago, then we wouldn’t be in such a mess with energy prices now. Renewable energy is now cheaper than Fossil fuel energy but we delayed for too long. Saying that, the U.K. is far ahead of countries like Germany and Holland who have been very reluctant to change, the Dutch have now resorted to going back to coal because of the price hikes.

Moving the UK to rely on renewables a long time ago would have been a mistake, the cost of energy is immaterial if it is unreliable and not available when needed.

Solar and wind are unreliable sources of energy (The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow) and integrating such an unreliable energy source into the grid causes problems, nuclear and fossil fuel powered energy plants can't be turned on and off at will. 

There needs to be a quantum leap in the science to turn solar energy into electricity to make it more efficient and there needs to be several quantum leaps in battery technology to be able to store the energy produced by renewables when conditions are favorable before renewable energy is ready for primetime. Despite all the money spent on wind and solar power there is still no power plant on the planet that relies only on solar and wind as it's input source of energy, they're just too unreliable.

Germany is one of the world leaders in generation of electricity from renewables but has started to turn back to fossil fuels because of the unreliability of solar and wind. It's price for electricity is twice that of France which gets most of it's electricity from nuclear. 

To me it looks like nuclear fission is the way forward but if/when nuclear fusion ever becomes a practical way of generating electricity it could be a game changer.

In danger of going of topic.

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8 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Moving the UK to rely on renewables a long time ago would have been a mistake, the cost of energy is immaterial if it is unreliable and not available when needed.

Solar and wind are unreliable sources of energy (The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow) and integrating such an unreliable energy source into the grid causes problems, nuclear and fossil fuel powered energy plants can't be turned on and off at will. 

There needs to be a quantum leap in the science to turn solar energy into electricity to make it more efficient and there needs to be several quantum leaps in battery technology to be able to store the energy produced by renewables when conditions are favorable before renewable energy is ready for primetime. Despite all the money spent on wind and solar power there is still no power plant on the planet that relies only on solar and wind as it's input source of energy, they're just too unreliable.

Germany is one of the world leaders in generation of electricity from renewables but has started to turn back to fossil fuels because of the unreliability of solar and wind. It's price for electricity is twice that of France which gets most of it's electricity from nuclear. 

To me it looks like nuclear fission is the way forward but if/when nuclear fusion ever becomes a practical way of generating electricity it could be a game changer.

In danger of going of topic.

I think you're worrying about nothing. Bright minds are working on this.

e.g.

"The Morocco-UK power project is an integrated power generation, storage and transmission project proposed to be developed by Xlinks, a UK-based energy start-up focused on supplying low-cost wind and solar power from Morocco to the UK.

The project is planned to be developed without subsidy from the UK Government. It will connect the UK National Grid to renewable power generated in Morocco, through 3,800km of high-voltage direct current (HVDC) subsea cables.

The interconnector project will leverage high solar irradiance in south Morocco along with the North African country’s consistent convection desert winds to support the UK’s power needs when domestic renewable energy generation dips due to climatic conditions, such as slow winds.

Morocco-UK power project make-up

The power generation facility, comprising a solar and wind farm, will be developed on an area of 1,500km² in the Guelmim Oued Noun region of Morocco.

The combined facility will generate 10.5GW of energy, of which 3.6GW is planned to be transmitted to the UK to meet up to 8% of its electricity demand."

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We perform better than the EU and have advanced more than EU as we used to be one of the highest polluters in Europe. Germany is still one of the worst polluters and little old Luxembourg, center piece of the EU are the worst polluters per capita.

 

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54 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

We perform better than the EU and have advanced more than EU as we used to be one of the highest polluters in Europe. Germany is still one of the worst polluters and little old Luxembourg, center piece of the EU are the worst polluters per capita.

 

Our switch to clean energy is truly something to be proud of.

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