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33 minutes ago, Howjy04 said:

England is the finest country on the planet.Proud to be English.Those who aren’t should leave.

It is indeed a country populated by intellectual giants exuding common sense. 

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15 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Yet again, remainer says "bow and scrape" because it needs to be that for their argument to stand up to any basic scrutiny.

 

I said...agreement. No bowing or scraping required to agree to mutually beneficial deals between a sovereign nation and a sovereign supranation.

 

The classic "oh but they're bigger and therefore they will dictate the terms and will not cede ground in negotiations" is garbage. 

AHA

 

So we've gone from a binary to suddenly having 3 more options on the table. That's some climb down already.

 

Again, lets extend the logic...If 3 countries have negotiated bespoke deals already, then there's nothing stopping anyone else from negotiating a bespoke deal is there? Why would we have to copy a Turkey/Norway or Switzerland arrangement?

 

Your arguments literally support what I'm saying. 

 

 

I think the point you are trying to make, which is at least plausible is..."we're unlikely to be able to negotiate a sufficiently good arrangement to remove a satisfactory amount of the red tape".

 

Which is fine, we can agree to disagree. But we can't agree on something that is completely false. The facts are, it certainly is possible to negotiate a deal with the EU for improved access which as access goes up, red tape should come down. It all depends on what we have to negotiate with them.

 

And our "club" has taken free movement of people and uk sovereignty off the table. So forget about those things. We don't have to give them up at all, not unless the deal is something so magnificent that it would be impossible to pass up on.

 

Our deal with the EU will get better over time, whilst honoring the spirit of brexit. There's no doubt in my mind. The EU can't afford to give up too much to begin with because they needed brexit to be as not successful as possible. Once they get over that, they'll be more open to negotiation where mutually beneficial trade arrangements can be made.

 

The beauty of brexit, we don't have to accept permanent rubbish of which we have no control.

When you voted for Brexit. What type of arrangement with The EU did you envisage?

1. Like Switzerland

2. Like Norway.

3. Like we've got now.

4. Something else. If so, what exactly? What bits of the new found sovereignty are you prepared to give up?

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On 15/03/2022 at 16:48, hillmanhunter said:

I know exactly what I didn't vote for😂

Record profits announced today for Portmeirion Pottery, Bentley Cars and record exports for JCB.

 

Well done Brexit.

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55 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

Record profits announced today for Portmeirion Pottery, Bentley Cars and record exports for JCB.

 

Well done Brexit.

"EXCL: Times understands P&O intends to fire all their UK staff on the spot and replace them with cheaper overseas labour - Understood RMT planning a sit in on ships - All services suspended and passengers and warned of mass disruption"

 

Is that Brexit too?

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16 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

"EXCL: Times understands P&O intends to fire all their UK staff on the spot and replace them with cheaper overseas labour - Understood RMT planning a sit in on ships - All services suspended and passengers and warned of mass disruption"

 

Is that Brexit too?

Who wants to cross the Channel and go to France?  Looks like not enough people to make it as profitable as it once was.

We've got the world now and besides, Vodafone have today announced 300 new jobs down the road if P&O staff fancy moving to the Potteries for retraining.

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2 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

Who wants to cross the Channel and go to France?  Looks like not enough people to make it as profitable as it once was.

We've got the world now and besides, Vodafone have today announced 300 new jobs down the road if P&O staff fancy moving to the Potteries for retraining.

About 22% of our roll on - roll off freight?

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2 hours ago, hillmanhunter said:

"EXCL: Times understands P&O intends to fire all their UK staff on the spot and replace them with cheaper overseas labour - Understood RMT planning a sit in on ships - All services suspended and passengers and warned of mass disruption"

 

Is that Brexit too?

More like they have links to Russia?

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I am confused. One of the key issues with the Brexit vote was free movement of EU citizens resulting in Eastern Europeans "taking our jobs". This was said to be a bad thing that Brexit would stop.

From what I have read the British workers for P & O have been sacked without notice and are to be replaced by Colombians.

 

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