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11 minutes ago, For Us All said:

That quote which Osh used came from a former Labour MP who was an ardent supporter of the Remain campaign.

I shouldn't worry too much about Brexit,Moggy will fix it.👍

He did, he transferred his assets to the EU 

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48 minutes ago, For Us All said:

That quote which Osh used came from a former Labour MP who was an ardent supporter of the Remain campaign.

I shouldn't worry too much about Brexit,Moggy will fix it.👍

The report came from the Public Accounts Committee made up of MPs from all parties, and traders who are feeling the massive effect of these Brexit delays 

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Just thinking about the climb down from "brexit is a fascist plot to exclude foreigners from the UK"  to "see we told you there'd be some paper work and a a traffic jam"

 

🤣

 

I bet it's class being a remainer to be fair. 

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3 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Just thinking about the climb down from "brexit is a fascist plot to exclude foreigners from the UK"  to "see we told you there'd be some paper work and a a traffic jam"

 

🤣

 

I bet it's class being a remainer to be fair. 

You never lose the class

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3 hours ago, tommytunstall said:

The report came from the Public Accounts Committee made up of MPs from all parties, and traders who are feeling the massive effect of these Brexit delays 

Yes even Marc Francois is a member on this committee. 

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What would be the measurement of acceptableness for you remainers to shut up about brexit?

 

Can you actually give me a metric, a defined measurable and realistic metric?

 

If in 12 months time we've sorted out the administrative issues with import/exports and reduced the traffic outside ports that we all so deeply care about all of a sudden, can we finally say that brexit is acceptable?

 

For all the talk about remain v leave being binary, you don't half make brexit a singular option. There's an infinite number of ways the cards can land, the current situation is one of them, remaining in the EU is the other, and the rest of the deck is all variations on brexit. 

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9 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

What would be the measurement of acceptableness for you remainers to shut up about brexit?

 

Can you actually give me a metric, a defined measurable and realistic metric?

 

If in 12 months time we've sorted out the administrative issues with import/exports and reduced the traffic outside ports that we all so deeply care about all of a sudden, can we finally say that brexit is acceptable?

 

For all the talk about remain v leave being binary, you don't half make brexit a singular option. There's an infinite number of ways the cards can land, the current situation is one of them, remaining in the EU is the other, and the rest of the deck is all variations on brexit. 

Usual rubbish about Remainers. The vote has gone for Brexit, perhaps you are not aware. There is no such thing as remainers v leavers, it’s done and dusted. But with the problems at the ports, rising prices (not all attributable to Brexit) people are uneasy. We are out of the EU I accept that but I can still comment 

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2 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

Usual rubbish about Remainers. The vote has gone for Brexit, perhaps you are not aware. There is no such thing as remainers v leavers, it’s done and dusted. But with the problems at the ports, rising prices (not all attributable to Brexit) people are uneasy. We are out of the EU I accept that but I can still comment 

To some  comment  is heresy

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2 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

What would be the measurement of acceptableness for you remainers to shut up about brexit?

 

Can you actually give me a metric, a defined measurable and realistic metric?

 

If in 12 months time we've sorted out the administrative issues with import/exports and reduced the traffic outside ports that we all so deeply care about all of a sudden, can we finally say that brexit is acceptable?

 

For all the talk about remain v leave being binary, you don't half make brexit a singular option. There's an infinite number of ways the cards can land, the current situation is one of them, remaining in the EU is the other, and the rest of the deck is all variations on brexit. 

We could have had the promised brexit of remaining in the single market but according to you remaining a member of the single market wouldn't be a "sovereign brexit". Had we voted to remain do you think "brexiteers" would have never uttered a peep again even if certain things in the EU weren't going to plan? I think not. People are well within their right to say what they think and ask for things to change. After all we have a general election every 5 years so potentially a new government every 5 years. How many years has it been since the original referendum? Also during them 5 years the opposition don't just sit silent and accept they lost. 

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29 minutes ago, ginge said:

We could have had the promised brexit of remaining in the single market but according to you remaining a member of the single market wouldn't be a "sovereign brexit". Had we voted to remain do you think "brexiteers" would have never uttered a peep again even if certain things in the EU weren't going to plan? I think not. People are well within their right to say what they think and ask for things to change. After all we have a general election every 5 years so potentially a new government every 5 years. How many years has it been since the original referendum? Also during them 5 years the opposition don't just sit silent and accept they lost. 

Quite likely re-joining the common market will be in a manifesto at the next election couched in ambiguous terms.

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On 09/02/2022 at 12:40, For Us All said:

No it isn't but the energy crisis might?

"The main reason is the rising global price of energy,which has meant higher energy and transport bills for businesses,many of whom pass on the extra costs to customers.

Supply problems and higher shopping costs also continue to hit businesses.Staff shortages are a particular problem in the UK due to Brexit and the pandemic and are prompting some employers to raise wages".

BBC News 06/02/22

What utter rubbish!  We've been on a downward curve for over a year now; the energy crisis has been going on for a few months (and set to get far, far worse).  The queues at Dover are so sad.

I remember being on a call with the head of HMRC's new team who were implementing the new Import system; she was telling everyone who great the system would be and how it would work.  At exactly the same time, I was reading a report from Computer Weekly saying that not a single line of code had been written in the new system - so I asked that question on Teams.  The woman from HMRC said she hadn't got a clue about that it was "what she'd been told by the Government"  At the same time businesses knew nothing of the tax codes or identifiers and were expected to start using the system in a couple of weeks.  It was just a joke.

The situation has got worse since the New Year and will get even worse when Counties of Origin come in to play in the summer.

The Tories stated that we'd "do away with EU red tape" when we left - what they didn't tell you was that it would be replaced with the most pathetic, arduous system in history of trading, with 70 pages of forms requried for every item being exported.

We have shot ourselves in both feet.

 

Open your eyes man; stop defending the indefensible 

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2 hours ago, Osh said:

What utter rubbish!  We've been on a downward curve for over a year now; the energy crisis has been going on for a few months (and set to get far, far worse).  The queues at Dover are so sad.

I remember being on a call with the head of HMRC's new team who were implementing the new Import system; she was telling everyone who great the system would be and how it would work.  At exactly the same time, I was reading a report from Computer Weekly saying that not a single line of code had been written in the new system - so I asked that question on Teams.  The woman from HMRC said she hadn't got a clue about that it was "what she'd been told by the Government"  At the same time businesses knew nothing of the tax codes or identifiers and were expected to start using the system in a couple of weeks.  It was just a joke.

The situation has got worse since the New Year and will get even worse when Counties of Origin come in to play in the summer.

The Tories stated that we'd "do away with EU red tape" when we left - what they didn't tell you was that it would be replaced with the most pathetic, arduous system in history of trading, with 70 pages of forms requried for every item being exported.

We have shot ourselves in both feet.

 

Open your eyes man; stop defending the indefensible 

Just quoting from the BBC.

It must be true?

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