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Largely made my peace with the concept of Brexit but still struggle to contend with claims that no-deal, and tariffs of around 10%, are in anyway good for our country, especially the likes of Nissan who export 70% of their cars to the EU. If you've got to then add 10% onto the price to cover the tarrifs, people are going to look elsewhere; ergo, you cut costs in Sunderland.

 

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More of them now 🤣

 

Project fear was a lie, why should we believe "no but seriously we've chosen Sunderland over Barcelona despite a potentially fatal risk to the viability of Sunderland which is currently enshrined in UK law in 6 months time".

 

We don't WANT to leave with no deal, we want a deal. But no deal is better than a bad deal.

 

It's nice to hear that you've largely made your peace with brexit after 4 years.

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32 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

More of them now 🤣

 

Project fear was a lie, why should we believe "no but seriously we've chosen Sunderland over Barcelona despite a potentially fatal risk to the viability of Sunderland which is currently enshrined in UK law in 6 months time".

 

We don't WANT to leave with no deal, we want a deal. But no deal is better than a bad deal.

 

It's nice to hear that you've largely made your peace with brexit after 4 years.

They've chosen to close Barcelona down partly to leave more market space'for their allliance partner Renault (who own a 40% share in Nissan, and operate a strategic alliance over their respective European production facilities), who have facilities in Vallodolid, Palencia, and Sevilla, compared to the comparatively little production Renault have in the UK.

Having a production facility in Barcelona, alongside 3 from its alliance partner across Spain, was inefficient. Furthermore, the Nissan factory in Barcelona was struggling.

It isn't a binary 'Sunderland vs Barcelona', with completely equal external factors, as you so reductively put it.

Can you explain why No Deal is better than a bad deal, please, directly referencing why having 10% tariffs on exports to the EU is better than not having 10% tariffs on exports to the EU? What benefits of No Deal offset this?

 

 

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This myth of a parallel universe in which the UK holds all the cards is nonsense.

What matters in 2020 is the size of the trading bloc and the clout that gives you.

It's currently a global power struggle between the likes of the US, EU and China. Everyone else knows their place and has to fit in.

We are now a third country. We've left the EU. We are a single nation of 67m negotiating with a bloc of 450m. Who do you think holds the aces?

And because we're leaving the EU we're now increasingly desperate to fall into Trump's hands and are relying on him to give us a few crumbs. Good luck with that.

UK farmers are worried sick. Even the Express said we need the EU more than they need us. And guess what, there will be a border in the Irish Sea.

And now we've got the aftermath of the virus and all its terrible economic consequences with which to contend at the same time as Brexit.

Do a deal or trash UK car manufacturing and the tens of thousands of jobs that go with it.

Reality bites.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

More of them now 🤣

 

Project fear was a lie, why should we believe "no but seriously we've chosen Sunderland over Barcelona despite a potentially fatal risk to the viability of Sunderland which is currently enshrined in UK law in 6 months time".

 

We don't WANT to leave with no deal, we want a deal. But no deal is better than a bad deal.

 

It's nice to hear that you've largely made your peace with brexit after 4 years.

We have accepted Brexit, buts it's you who hasn't you always bring it up.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

They've chosen to close Barcelona down partly to leave more market space'for their allliance partner Renault (who own a 40% share in Nissan, and operate a strategic alliance over their respective European production facilities), who have facilities in Vallodolid, Palencia, and Sevilla, compared to the comparatively little production Renault have in the UK.

Having a production facility in Barcelona, alongside 3 from its alliance partner across Spain, was inefficient. Furthermore, the Nissan factory in Barcelona was struggling.

It isn't a binary 'Sunderland vs Barcelona', with completely equal external factors, as you so reductively put it.

Can you explain why No Deal is better than a bad deal, please, directly referencing why having 10% tariffs on exports to the EU is better than not having 10% tariffs on exports to the EU? What benefits of No Deal offset this?

 

 

We voted for brexit for very specific reasons and a bad deal would potentially not address those reasons. (Free movement, sending obscene amounts of money in membership fees only to be told that what we have is "free", lack of accountability, our country ultimately being ran in Brussels by people we didn't vote for and have no way of directly replacing them if we wanted, being tied to a gigantic sinking ship that is the Eurozone whereby the UK rejected it and the EU wants to quadruple down on it)

There's lots of reasons why a bad deal would be the second worse outcome behind staying in.

1 hour ago, TheSage said:

This myth of a parallel universe in which the UK holds all the cards is nonsense.

What matters in 2020 is the size of the trading bloc and the clout that gives you.

It's currently a global power struggle between the likes of the US, EU and China. Everyone else knows their place and has to fit in.

We are now a third country. We've left the EU. We are a single nation of 67m negotiating with a bloc of 450m. Who do you think holds the aces?

And because we're leaving the EU we're now increasingly desperate to fall into Trump's hands and are relying on him to give us a few crumbs. Good luck with that.

UK farmers are worried sick. Even the Express said we need the EU more than they need us. And guess what, there will be a border in the Irish Sea.

And now we've got the aftermath of the virus and all its terrible economic consequences with which to contend at the same time as Brexit.

Do a deal or trash UK car manufacturing and the tens of thousands of jobs that go with it.

Reality bites.

 

 

You really are just quite simply wrong Sage. Have you not seen the news recently where the EU is desperately trying to keep any sort of control over negotiations yet Boris and his team are batting them away at every turn.

They're reportedly about to do a U-turn on fishing rights which they said we would have to still share despite leaving.

There's a very clear patten emerging. The EU tells us we must do something, Boris says "no we don't" and the EU then revises their demand downwards.

The threat of no deal is working better than even I imagined. The EU are running scared. Many Eurozone countries are on the brink of collapse and will be watching what we do with bated breath.

Reality has never been so positive since the days after the referendum when we actually trusted Parliament to carry out our wishes.

 

1 minute ago, tommytunstall said:

We have accepted Brexit, buts it's you who hasn't you always bring it up.

This is a brexit thread and you don't have to click on it.

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12 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

🤣🤣 Complete and utter radio silence on the good news last week. Barely made the media. A bit of project fear pipes up again and we're all over it.

What good news was that? Had a bad day your hero Johnson, complained about Starmer asking testing questions, he must be missing Jezzer. Actually here's  a stat, the hopeless EU currently have less deaths per day through all the countries, than the UK has. A shocking stat that sums up a completely inept Government.

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11 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

What good news was that? Had a bad day your hero Johnson, complained about Starmer asking testing questions, he must be missing Jezzer. Actually here's  a stat, the hopeless EU currently have less deaths per day through all the countries, than the UK has. A shocking stat that sums up a completely inept Government.

Not so much complaning, more pointing out how quickly Starmer has resorted to lies and politicising deaths to try and look good in PMQs.

Have the EU stopped fining financially crippled members for daring to try and tackle Covid now?

 

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45 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Not so much complaning, more pointing out how quickly Starmer has resorted to lies and politicising deaths to try and look good in PMQs.

What lie has Starmer told?

The real liar is Boris. And it's clear for everyone to see. 

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Somebody help me here please. Is this the same chlorinated chicken were were absolutely assured would under no circumstances be allowed into the UK?  There's no way the scruffy albino wildebeest lied is there?

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19 minutes ago, Doha said:

Somebody help me here please. Is this the same chlorinated chicken were were absolutely assured would under no circumstances be allowed into the UK?  There's no way the scruffy albino wildebeest lied is there?

Did Johnson chicken out or was he just in his usual mode?  Anyone fancy a Kentucky Fried Johnson?

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And the madness begins again.

In today's Brexit news, the n-east business that was making EU passports for us is closing with the loss of up to c. 300 jobs. Our UK passports will now be made in the EU by a Dutch-French company.

And, two, the PM's plane is being repainted in red, white, and blue, at a cost of £900,000. It isn't in need of a paint job but the government thinks "it will better represent us abroad".

Money and jobs. Down he drain.

It is not April 1st. I've checked.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, TheSage said:

And the madness begins again.

In today's Brexit news, the n-east business that was making EU passports for us is closing with the loss of up to c. 300 jobs. Our UK passports will now be made in the EU by a Dutch-French company.

And, two, the PM's plane is being repainted in red, white, and blue, at a cost of £900,000. It isn't in need of a paint job but the government thinks "it will better represent us abroad".

Money and jobs. Down he drain.

It is not April 1st. I've checked.

 

 

No change there then

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1 hour ago, TheSage said:

And the madness begins again.

In today's Brexit news, the n-east business that was making EU passports for us is closing with the loss of up to c. 300 jobs. Our UK passports will now be made in the EU by a Dutch-French company.

And, two, the PM's plane is being repainted in red, white, and blue, at a cost of £900,000. It isn't in need of a paint job but the government thinks "it will better represent us abroad".

Money and jobs. Down he drain.

It is not April 1st. I've checked.

 

 

Good god... I thought this was a joke!! 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/plan-to-rebrand-pm-plane-will-cost-900-000-12008735
 

Does anyone genuinely actually this this is money well spent? I suspect this will be a bit of a bias test!

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15 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Good god... I thought this was a joke!! 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/plan-to-rebrand-pm-plane-will-cost-900-000-12008735
 

Does anyone genuinely actually this this is money well spent? I suspect this will be a bit of a bias test!

Will also  need a paint job on his Jag once the boot has been straightened

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37 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Good god... I thought this was a joke!! 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/plan-to-rebrand-pm-plane-will-cost-900-000-12008735
 

Does anyone genuinely actually this this is money well spent? I suspect this will be a bit of a bias test!

Cameron spent £10M on having the inside kitted out, but kept the RAF camouflage, whereas Johnson prefers  BA lookalike  stripes.  More easily  targeted but someone must have thought it a good idea.

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