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1 hour ago, WV said:

Such a naive response. You make it sound very black and white, which of course we all know it isn't. Being disingenuous is no good to either side of the debate. 

Just  little dry humour to counteract all the slapstick being lavished.

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2 hours ago, geosname said:

Just  little dry humour to counteract all the slapstick being lavished.

Its an amazing thing that after experts and world leaders have told us brexit is to blame that average Joe thinks he knows more about economics than the experts and has dismissed any experts that don't agree with his world view. Has this always happened? I guess so down the pubs or on site but I guess the difference is you could always avoid the ill informed and idiots in the pub but very difficult to not have an idiots view thrust in your face when online. 

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2 minutes ago, WV said:

Its an amazing thing that after experts and world leaders have told us brexit is to blame that average Joe thinks he knows more about economics than the experts and has dismissed any experts that don't agree with his world view. Has this always happened? I guess so down the pubs or on site but I guess the difference is you could always avoid the ill informed and idiots in the pub but very difficult to not have an idiots view thrust in your face when online. 

Who is thrusting? 

I care little about the cause more about the effect.

Are these the same experts who told us the world would end if the UK didn't join the Euro? 

If people spent their energy finding solutions instead of finding someone to blame most of the problems would probably be solved now.

Whether brexit is to blame or not won't solve the problems. It seems we have to have a 3 year public enquiry to find who is to blame before we can think about sorting out the effect for everything. 

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35 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Which world leaders? Those who possibly have a vested interest in us being members of the EU.

There is always a conspiracy with you lot. Its laughable. 

You could Google it and find it. One who isn't even in the EU

Just like coronavirus, British medical association chairman saying its time for masks and restrictions but you still have plenty on here saying masks don't do anything, numbers are fake etc.. "We have had enough of experts" comes to mind. 

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1 hour ago, WV said:

There is always a conspiracy with you lot. Its laughable. 

You could Google it and find it. One who isn't even in the EU

Just like coronavirus, British medical association chairman saying its time for masks and restrictions but you still have plenty on here saying masks don't do anything, numbers are fake etc.. "We have had enough of experts" comes to mind. 

Googled it and can’t find any!

Conspirancy? No, just looking for evidence unlike a lot that you have spouted out.

I am fully for wearing masks and do so myself whenever in a public place inside and supported that we should be wearing masks well before the hopeless WHO admitted they were wrong saying there was no evidence that wearing a mask reduced risk. 

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On 20/10/2021 at 16:50, ginge said:

Take back control! Make our own laws! Oh wait ... we're pumping <ovf censored>  into our rivers. Is this the brexit you voted for? 

Quite literally no. No one voted for or against brexit based on river pollution. 

 

Again you seem to be conflating Government issues with brexit issues. If we elect a party at the next general election based on a  promise to force water companies to cut sewage discharges, would that be a success of brexit in your mind?

 

This kind of stuff is particularly delusional in my opinion.

 

 

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17 hours ago, WV said:

There is always a conspiracy with you lot. Its laughable. 

You could Google it and find it. One who isn't even in the EU

Just like coronavirus, British medical association chairman saying its time for masks and restrictions but you still have plenty on here saying masks don't do anything, numbers are fake etc.. "We have had enough of experts" comes to mind. 

 

They're experts if you agree with them and conspiracy theorists if you don't.

 

You are picking who and what to believe the same as anyone else. You don't have a monopoly on science or facts and the fact that you seem to think you do, should be a red flag for anyone who is undecided. 

 

I can find you many studies that say masks have no significant impact on covid. I can also find you studies that say masks are potentially bad for your health and I don't think anyone can deny that they're bad for the environment. So which experts should we trust? And how are you in a position to say that those who trust experts with opposing views, are conspiracy theorists?

 

I know we're off topic sorry but that post is seriously disingenuous. 

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2 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Quite literally no. No one voted for or against brexit based on river pollution. 

 

Again you seem to be conflating Government issues with brexit issues. If we elect a party at the next general election based on a  promise to force water companies to cut sewage discharges, would that be a success of brexit in your mind?

 

This kind of stuff is particularly delusional in my opinion.

 

 

It is to do with brexit because we don't have to follow the high standards of EU laws anymore. Thank goodness for sovereignty we don't have to follow standards and can pump <ovf censored> into the rivers! 

Is brexit just about deregulation?

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4 hours ago, ginge said:

It is to do with brexit because we don't have to follow the high standards of EU laws anymore. Thank goodness for sovereignty we don't have to follow standards and can pump <ovf censored> into the rivers! 

Is brexit just about deregulation?

 

It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO laughable that anyone dares to accuse brexit voters of not knowing what they voted for when you have remainers with no idea whatsoever, 5 years on, what the vote was for.

 

Why do you think corbyn was a euro sceptic? Do you think he held that position for decades because he supported deregulation?

 

i'll ask the question again, if we vote for a party next election who promise to heavily regulate against river pollution, will you class that as a win for brexit?

 

 

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4 hours ago, ginge said:

It is to do with brexit because we don't have to follow the high standards of EU laws anymore. Thank goodness for sovereignty we don't have to follow standards and can pump <ovf censored> into the rivers! 

Is brexit just about deregulation?

You mean the high standards of EU laws that protects criminals from being deported?

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4 hours ago, ginge said:

It is to do with brexit because we don't have to follow the high standards of EU laws anymore. Thank goodness for sovereignty we don't have to follow standards and can pump <ovf censored> into the rivers! 

Is brexit just about deregulation?

What high levels? We haven’t changed any laws on pollution since we left the EU.

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7 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

 

They're experts if you agree with them and conspiracy theorists if you don't.

 

You are picking who and what to believe the same as anyone else. You don't have a monopoly on science or facts and the fact that you seem to think you do, should be a red flag for anyone who is undecided. 

 

I can find you many studies that say masks have no significant impact on covid. I can also find you studies that say masks are potentially bad for your health and I don't think anyone can deny that they're bad for the environment. So which experts should we trust? And how are you in a position to say that those who trust experts with opposing views, are conspiracy theorists?

 

I know we're off topic sorry but that post is seriously disingenuous. 

I don't make my own mind up on things I have no expertise on. The majority of scientists disagree with the handful you and LV quote. You can quote all your youtube videos of celebs who have no expertise all you like but for me if a huge majority of experts say one thing I am likely to make my mind up based on that whereas you made your mind up already and find spurious sources to agree with your own research lol. 

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5 hours ago, philpvfc said:

What high levels? We haven’t changed any laws on pollution since we left the EU.

No but they held us to the laws. Seems like we let water companies get away with it. Good old taking back control eh? What do you think about the government not voting for a law to stop these companies tipping raw sewage into our water systems?

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5 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

 

It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO laughable that anyone dares to accuse brexit voters of not knowing what they voted for when you have remainers with no idea whatsoever, 5 years on, what the vote was for.

 

Why do you think corbyn was a euro sceptic? Do you think he held that position for decades because he supported deregulation?

 

i'll ask the question again, if we vote for a party next election who promise to heavily regulate against river pollution, will you class that as a win for brexit?

 

 

The vote was whether we want to stay in the EU or leave. The vote did not specify what leave actually entailed. However what was promised by big name brexiteers was that we would stay in the single market and have a Norway style deal. That seems not to be the case. 

As for Corbyn on brexit (arguably his downfall) if i remember right the last time he actually voiced his opinion of brexit was on the last leg when he said he was 7/10 in favour of the EU. Either way not sure what Corbyn has to do with the point. 

If we vote for a party that makes a new law on stopping river pollution, a more stringent law than the EU have then yes that would be a brexit positive of making our own laws. Would that happen though? At the moment in our undemocratic country and undemocratic voting system it looks unlikely. We have the crony tories who think it's ok to dump raw sewage into our rivers. They have had an opportunity to make a law on it as we are free to do that aren't we? 

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5 hours ago, philpvfc said:

What high levels? We haven’t changed any laws on pollution since we left the EU.

I think you'll find that the UK government is taking advantage of not being bound by EU Statutory Instrument 214/2020, which is in place to maintain water quality and not expose neighbours to emissions (mainly Ireland) in our case. Part of the reason they are allowing it is because we can't get the chemicals for treatment into the country. I wonder which part of Covid is causing that???? 

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7 hours ago, ginge said:

No but they held us to the laws. Seems like we let water companies get away with it. Good old taking back control eh? What do you think about the government not voting for a law to stop these companies tipping raw sewage into our water systems?

The laws were too lenient when we were in the EU and they still are so does not say anything at all for the EU. I will wait on judgement as the Government have said they are introducing their own rules soon. I agree, the water companies need to be held responsible and something has to be done but this has happened for decades and do so in other EU countries but the EU have not stepped in, hopefully with the new rules this will be stopped, we will wait and see but if the new rules don’t then it does not look good on Boris’s environmental promises and we have a choice at the next election just like we did when we had a referendum.

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7 hours ago, Beamish said:

I think you'll find that the UK government is taking advantage of not being bound by EU Statutory Instrument 214/2020, which is in place to maintain water quality and not expose neighbours to emissions (mainly Ireland) in our case. Part of the reason they are allowing it is because we can't get the chemicals for treatment into the country. I wonder which part of Covid is causing that???? 

This has been happening far longer than our exit from the EU. Maybe more highlighted recently, maybe for political gain I don’t know. Who said anything for Covid being the cause? Global warming maybe as a big cause is the overflow system meaning the system cannot cope when there is too much rain.

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