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5 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Is that the same person who lied about the number of people sleeping rough in Brent?

People like Dawn Butler are the reason Labour have zero chance of winning an election. The ones with no principles, no substance, everything is racist, everything is a lie unless when she lies, in which case it's true, and if you don't agree than you are a racist liar 🤣

 

Let her keep going. There's a reason that a tory Government can lock us in our own homes, cancel football, close pubs, raise taxes, send covid patients back into care homes, oversee huge spikes in gas prices, try and enforce vaccine mandates and domestic passports, and labour still can't get above them in the polls. It's almost funny really.

 

They only have to be 0.1 point better than labour. And that's a real low bar. 

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4 minutes ago, ginge said:

Great, I look forward to the vacancies being filled up very soon! 

Well that wouldn't be a brexit issue would it? The UK Government sets our immigration policies. 

 

Another incredibly easy win for Sir Keir - why is he not shouting from the roof tops telling the Government to remove barriers of entry for HGV drivers? A quick google search and the one thing I can see is a comment from him apparently suggesting there was a failure to prepare for the shortage. Is that good enough, really?

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Just now, Regal Beagle said:

Well that wouldn't be a brexit issue would it? The UK Government sets our immigration policies. 

 

Another incredibly easy win for Sir Keir - why is he not shouting from the roof tops telling the Government to remove barriers of entry for HGV drivers? A quick google search and the one thing I can see is a comment from him apparently suggesting there was a failure to prepare for the shortage. Is that good enough, really?

But brexit is the thing which is currently blocking the vacancies being filled. Had brexit not been a thing then the government wouldn't need to remove the barriers of entry and the road haulage association wouldn't have to ask them to.

I agree he needs to be much tougher on them. Labour have been poor at getting accross their vision and need someone who really sticks up for the working class. Andy Burnham has done a great job in Manchester for example. I'm not sure changing the party leadership rules will help either. 

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1 minute ago, ginge said:

But brexit is the thing which is currently blocking the vacancies being filled. Had brexit not been a thing then the government wouldn't need to remove the barriers of entry and the road haulage association wouldn't have to ask them to.

I agree he needs to be much tougher on them. Labour have been poor at getting accross their vision and need someone who really sticks up for the working class. Andy Burnham has done a great job in Manchester for example. I'm not sure changing the party leadership rules will help either. 

The Government has the ability to remove barriers of entry for anyone we want. In fact they have MORE power after brexit, not less.

 

Brexit didn't put those barriers up. The UK Government did.

 

 

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If lying in the house was made illegal what would happen to manifestos? 

It's totally unworkable..... who would investigate the lie? The opposition? Their own party? The same people who scrutinised the expenses?

You can't call a member a liar in the house.

If a party leader says "we believe........." but one party member doesn't agree is it a lie?

If a party leader says we will employ 20,000 new police officers in their manifesto, but fail by the end of their term...... who gets prosecuted? The party? The leader? All the members?

Perhaps a more effective approach would be to make it a criminal offence to believe what politicians say.

How many politicians promised to respect the referendum result?...... then didn't.

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36 minutes ago, geosname said:

If lying in the house was made illegal what would happen to manifestos? 

It's totally unworkable..... who would investigate the lie? The opposition? Their own party? The same people who scrutinised the expenses?

You can't call a member a liar in the house.

If a party leader says "we believe........." but one party member doesn't agree is it a lie?

If a party leader says we will employ 20,000 new police officers in their manifesto, but fail by the end of their term...... who gets prosecuted? The party? The leader? All the members?

Perhaps a more effective approach would be to make it a criminal offence to believe what politicians say.

How many politicians promised to respect the referendum result?...... then didn't.

Long gone are the days when an English gentleman`s word was his bond. 

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2 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

The Government has the ability to remove barriers of entry for anyone we want. In fact they have MORE power after brexit, not less.

 

Brexit didn't put those barriers up. The UK Government did.

 

 

Sorry but it’s the same thing. This Government negotiated Brexit

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1 hour ago, tommytunstall said:

Surely it can’t be down to Brexit this must be fake news, what do the Vote Leavers think, oh sorry forgot they are hiding away. Grant Shapps blames the HGV situation on COVID, another lie alongside the many others, remember, 350million, Oven ready, Big Trade deals and many many more.

You obviously didn't watch BBC news earlier today when the head of a haulage firm in Norfolk was asked, or told rather, that the driver shortage was caused by brexit. 'No it wasn't' she insisted, 'surely it was' said the reporter. 'No it wasn't, it's due to covid, unsociable hours, poor working conditions and low pay.'  Another classic unbiased report from the BBC.

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57 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

You obviously didn't watch BBC news earlier today when the head of a haulage firm in Norfolk was asked, or told rather, that the driver shortage was caused by brexit. 'No it wasn't' she insisted, 'surely it was' said the reporter. 'No it wasn't, it's due to covid, unsociable hours, poor working conditions and low pay.'  Another classic unbiased report from the BBC.

That can't be right,ginge says the BBC are right wing?🤔

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