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12 minutes ago, ginge said:

What are the tories doing for climate now? The answer is not enough

Well,not as much as Sleepy Joe,he shut off the Keystone pipeline on his first day in charge which caused 1000 lost jobs.

Mind you they are all in it together,it's just another money making racket.

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4 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Well,not as much as Sleepy Joe,he shut off the Keystone pipeline on his first day in charge which caused 1000 lost jobs.

Mind you they are all in it together,it's just another money making racket.

What's a money making racket? The only people making any money are the rich elite tories and their crony mates. If the climate crisis is not addressed soon then it will no doubt affect the working class the hardest.

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16 hours ago, For Us All said:

Can't have that can we?It works both ways but the lefties can't take it.

I always cringe when grown men use the term 'lefties'.  

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15 hours ago, ginge said:

What's a money making racket? The only people making any money are the rich elite tories and their crony mates. If the climate crisis is not addressed soon then it will no doubt affect the working class the hardest.

China don't seem too worried?

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I never had any time for Thatcher but I can see the irony 're coal mines and global warming.

After the winter of discontent the unions became an easy political target, someone had to put the breaks on and it wasnt going to be Labour or Callaghan. 

"Once in power, the Conservatives, who under Thatcher's leadership had begun criticising the unions as too powerful, passed legislation, similar to that proposed in a Labour white paper a decade earlier, that barred many practices, such as secondary picketing, that had magnified the effects of the strikes."

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34 minutes ago, For Us All said:

China don't seem too worried?

Blaming China is not an excuse for our own inaction. Per head our country is doing worse for emissions! Not to mention ours and other countries reliance on China for manufacturing.

 

And saying they aren't worried is untrue.

In a survey 6 years ago (i appreciate it's old) revealed that 26% of respondents in the UK and 32% in the US believe that climate change is “not a serious problem”, while in China the figure is only 4%. In the UK, 7% don’t want their government to endorse any international agreement addressing climate change. In the US the proportion rises to 17%. But in China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand, only 1% want no action taken.

Blaming China is such a lazy argument 

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39 minutes ago, ginge said:

Blaming China is not an excuse for our own inaction. Per head our country is doing worse for emissions! Not to mention ours and other countries reliance on China for manufacturing.

 

And saying they aren't worried is untrue.

In a survey 6 years ago (i appreciate it's old) revealed that 26% of respondents in the UK and 32% in the US believe that climate change is “not a serious problem”, while in China the figure is only 4%. In the UK, 7% don’t want their government to endorse any international agreement addressing climate change. In the US the proportion rises to 17%. But in China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand, only 1% want no action taken.

Blaming China is such a lazy argument 

I can only speak to Thailand wanting something done about climate change.

A large majority want something done, providing they don't have to do it, pay for if or change their way of life to achieve it.

Parts of Thailand have the worst air polution in the world at times. The government tried to restrict the burning of fields, failed miserably. After the first crop of sugar cane has been harvested the fields are burned and the new crop grows. There is no affordable alternative.

Covid has shown what happens here when air travel is curtailed. From 3,000,000 visitors per day down to 300. 30%+ of the kingdoms revenue is tourism and state aid is pitiful. 700bht per month pension for 70 year olds, that's about 13bht per day..... 28p per day. If diesel,  petrol and gas vehicles were banned the whole country would grind to a halt. It's all well and good having electric vehicles.... if you have a reliable electricity supply, many places away from the major cities don't, some don't have a reliable water supply.

It's all well and good asking people if they want something done but ask them after you tell them what it will cost them and the consequences of doing it. Don't just ask the politicians and city dwellers ask the people who have to travel 20 kilometres to get to the nearest shop or work, ask them if they can afford to scrap their 30 year old beat up pick-up for an electric version they may not be able to recharge.

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15 hours ago, geosname said:

I can only speak to Thailand wanting something done about climate change.

A large majority want something done, providing they don't have to do it, pay for if or change their way of life to achieve it.

Parts of Thailand have the worst air polution in the world at times. The government tried to restrict the burning of fields, failed miserably. After the first crop of sugar cane has been harvested the fields are burned and the new crop grows. There is no affordable alternative.

Covid has shown what happens here when air travel is curtailed. From 3,000,000 visitors per day down to 300. 30%+ of the kingdoms revenue is tourism and state aid is pitiful. 700bht per month pension for 70 year olds, that's about 13bht per day..... 28p per day. If diesel,  petrol and gas vehicles were banned the whole country would grind to a halt. It's all well and good having electric vehicles.... if you have a reliable electricity supply, many places away from the major cities don't, some don't have a reliable water supply.

It's all well and good asking people if they want something done but ask them after you tell them what it will cost them and the consequences of doing it. Don't just ask the politicians and city dwellers ask the people who have to travel 20 kilometres to get to the nearest shop or work, ask them if they can afford to scrap their 30 year old beat up pick-up for an electric version they may not be able to recharge.

I doubt that those you talk about even contribute to global warming. You don't just not do something because its difficult and demanding.  This is more important than a few strugglers in the countryside.  The world will move on with or without them 

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3 hours ago, WV said:

I doubt that those you talk about even contribute to global warming. You don't just not do something because its difficult and demanding.  This is more important than a few strugglers in the countryside.  The world will move on with or without them 

A few?

30,000,000 people is only half the population here.

This is what they call a developing nation, not a 3rd world country and certainly not a leader, like the UK where millions are dependent on state benefits and food banks.

The world moves on if the money wants it, if there is money in it. The only way to "save the world" is to remove the population.

Perhaps if countries start dealing with their own waste instead of shipping it to countries like Thailand they would start dealing with the problem.

Is there a realistic plan to produce electric shipping? Electric HGVs? If not countries like the UK will have to become self sufficient. Difficult if it's totally covered with wind farms to produce sufficient electricity. I doubt they would produce enough electricity to charge everyone's mobile phone let alone replace gas cooking and heating.

The only way to change the world by such an extent is by force, are you prepared for the consequences? 

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16 hours ago, WV said:

I doubt that those you talk about even contribute to global warming. You don't just not do something because its difficult and demanding.  This is more important than a few strugglers in the countryside.  The world will move on with or without them 

Something like half of the global emissions are created by the richest 10 percent. Capitalists and the climate crisis goes hand in hand. And for those who aren't worried about it, have a look at what's going on in Greece at the moment.

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21 hours ago, WV said:

A lazy argument from FuA? Surely not! Some good stats there i am sure FUA will acknowledge the new facts and change his opinion accordingly 😉 

Always here to try and improve your education.😀

According to the GEM and the CREA China built three times as much new coal power capacity in 2020 as all the other countries in the world combined.That's more than one large coal plant every week.

Like many other countries economic growth is their main priority and that growth depends greatly on coal power which they say is more stable than renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power.

Doesn't look like they'll be going green anytime soon?

Over to you.

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33 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Always here to try and improve your education.😀

According to the GEM and the CREA China built three times as much new coal power capacity in 2020 as all the other countries in the world combined.That's more than one large coal plant every week.

Like many other countries economic growth is their main priority and that growth depends greatly on coal power which they say is more stable than renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power.

Doesn't look like they'll be going green anytime soon?

Over to you.

So is that a criticism of China or a justification for us doing nothing??

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