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3 hours ago, Emile said:

Isn't the AZ vaccine basically rubbish? Less than 200 antibodies per 100ml of blood after 10 weeks.

Rushed out to the first, blocked EU countries of receiving it and now being considerably overtaken by the EU with the BioNtec vaccine that has over 3000 antibodies per 100ml

I totally bought into the rhetoric in January also, but it's becoming evidently clear it's another tory spin. 

From today's Sunday Times.

Scientific illiterates have jabbed AstraZeneca in the back

Bryan Appleyard

Sunday August 01 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

In January President Macron of France said something so reckless and ignorant that it still makes the jaw drop. He claimed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine “is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older”. He said “everything points” to this conclusion. In fact, nothing did.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, jumped on board. They had skin in the game — she’s 67 and he’s 73 — and, having had the AstraZeneca vaccine as a first jab, opted for a different one for their second. Macron is 43.

There was no evidence for any of the claims. There was only the fact that the vaccine had been insufficiently tested on that age group. Now we know it works just fine on pensioners.

Then there were the clots. Word went out that the AstraZeneca vaccine caused rare but often fatal blood clots. In response, EU countries dumped it. Last week a Spanish study involving six million people found clots happened just as much after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and in neither case could it be said that the vaccine was the cause. But, either way, catching Covid-19 puts you at much greater risk from lethal clotting, so the net effect of both these vaccines is to reduce your risk.

Last summer, working on the principle that no good deed should go unpunished, the European Commission spent three months trying to negotiate a price cut on the AstraZeneca jab. They did this despite the fact the company altruistically set the price at the cost of production. This meant they were losing money on the deal — but clearly, the commission felt, not enough. Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, said last week he would soon have to start charging a realistic price.

For idealistic scientists, the dream of low-priced vaccines for the world lies in ruins. “The one vaccine that’s not-for-profit,” said Adam Ritchie, who worked on the vaccine at Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, “is the one that has been dumped on over and over and over again.”

A British government official has been quoted as saying: “The European leaders who trashed the AstraZeneca vaccine have blood on their hands.” This must be true: the delays will have led to deaths and the false accusations will have discouraged people from having the jab. Furthermore, all those pathetic, gullible anti-vaxers will be revelling in any news that there’s something wrong with the science.

So the big picture now is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is as effective and safe as any other, but mistrusted — most alarmingly in Africa, where vaccination rates are catastrophically low. How has this happened? That anonymous official seemed pretty sure it is all down to the EU: “They did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.”

That’s plausible but unprovable, and probably unhelpful for all but a few raging Europhobes. It is true that AstraZeneca is partly responsible for its own problems: it found, for example, that it could not deliver on its promises to the EU. But much more important is the fatal politicisation of the issue. As President Kenyatta of Kenya sagely observed this week, scientists across the world were working together until politicians started the wars of vaccine nationalism, with the AstraZeneca jab and Africa the primary victims.

The deeper problem is that most politicians and many people don’t understand science — the prime minister keeps demonstrating his ignorance by speaking of “the” science. There is no such thing. Science is a dynamic process, an assembly of all the statements not yet falsified. You can’t, like the French president, just pick out one paper because you like the look of it. Science deserves better. It is a heroic enterprise, an attempt to understand the unknown and the uncertain. It is, at times like these, our best bet — or, rather, our only bet.

Politicians should get behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab as one of a near-miraculous group of effective and safe vaccines. And the priority of our health department and Foreign Office should be to flood Africa with this most effective shot. Everything, Mr Macron, really does point to this conclusion.

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3 hours ago, jimbo57 said:

If it's rubbish why is the EU taking legal action against AZ as claims not enough AZ vaccines have been supplied?

Any chance you might answer my question directed to you about Hungary? It must be great to just avoid giving answers that will contradict your views rather than consider your views might not be a steadfastly correct as you make out. 

Head in sand, fingers in ears, la la la.

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Most if not all the companies/Institutions aiming to discover a SARS-Covid-2 vaccine received some funds from Operation Warp Speed, a public-private partnership originated by the US Government under (dare I say it) Donald Trump to speed up the discovery, development, manufacture and distribution of an effective vaccine.

What a fantastic job was done.

 

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On 30/07/2021 at 19:07, WV said:

I thought you would have blamed covid for the downturn? 

Are you still thinking that the vaccination was something to do with Brexit? 

I know remainers hate it to be so but here are the facts.The UK and the EU both began a rolling review of vaccine data in October.Experts suspect that the main reasons for the differences in timing are procedural hurdles.So,it seems like that pesky EU red tape was the reason for their six month delay.

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1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

Most if not all the companies/Institutions aiming to discover a SARS-Covid-2 vaccine received some funds from Operation Warp Speed, a public-private partnership originated by the US Government under (dare I say it) Donald Trump to speed up the discovery, development, manufacture and distribution of an effective vaccine.

What a fantastic job was done.

 

But the Pfizer vaccine was developed using funding from Germany and not warp speed 🤔

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1 hour ago, For Us All said:

I know remainers hate it to be so but here are the facts.The UK and the EU both began a rolling review of vaccine data in October.Experts suspect that the main reasons for the differences in timing are procedural hurdles.So,it seems like that pesky EU red tape was the reason for their six month delay.

What do EU rules have to do with medical trials and emergency  use of vaccines ? They are for national governments to decide to implement.

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2 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Most if not all the companies/Institutions aiming to discover a SARS-Covid-2 vaccine received some funds from Operation Warp Speed, a public-private partnership originated by the US Government under (dare I say it) Donald Trump to speed up the discovery, development, manufacture and distribution of an effective vaccine.

What a fantastic job was done.

 

Is it true that Republicans are much less likely to have been vaccinated than Democrats?

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18 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

What do EU rules have to do with medical trials and emergency  use of vaccines ? They are for national governments to decide to implement.

Well if you sign up to follow EU rules you reap what you sow.Hungary got fed up of waiting and ended up going to China and Russia for their vaccines.

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13 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Well if you sign up to follow EU rules you reap what you sow.Hungary got fed up of waiting and ended up going to China and Russia for their vaccines.

You just follow your merry way and ignore the truth, Sovereign states within the EU decide on medical implementation, free to use whatever is available and deemed safe.

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

You just follow your merry way and ignore the truth, Sovereign states within the EU decide on medical implementation, free to use whatever is available and deemed safe.

That's pretty obvious,I'm just surprised that Hungary were the only country to go it alone after criticising the EU's procurement scheme.

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3 hours ago, For Us All said:

That's pretty obvious,I'm just surprised that Hungary were the only country to go it alone after criticising the EU's procurement scheme.

Right wing government with a knob in charge like us. 

Edited by Jacko51

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