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Beyond Brexit - A new dawn? A leap of faith?


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45 minutes ago, WV said:

Any tangible benefits so far? Any positive impact at all? Seeing as brexiteers are so convinced they are right it should be an easy answer. No falsehoods or myths, just want actual facts. Anyone? 

Project Fear hasn't happened.

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Hate the use of 'Project Fear'. A lazy trope used to dismiss anything that counters the belief that Brexit will be an entirely positive experience.

It was utlised to lump all potential negatives of Brexit together; from rational ones like issues at the Irish border and food standards, to the more daft ones about apocalyptic-level economy damage.

Fundamentally Brexit has a lot of boring negatives, which have undoubtedly weakened us in certain ways. Is it as bad as some of the more hysterical critics claimed? No, but that doesn't justify any criticism now being lumped in the 'Project Fear' box to avoid having to actually challenge the criticism, which is what For Us All is doing here.

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48 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

We can't export sausages to Belfast. I don't think even the most ardent Brexit sceptic thought we'd create a free trade area smaller than our own borders.

Johnson won an election based on a border in the North Sea, who fell for that one?

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

Hate the use of 'Project Fear'. A lazy trope used to dismiss anything that counters the belief that Brexit will be an entirely positive experience.

It was utlised to lump all potential negatives of Brexit together; from rational ones like issues at the Irish border and food standards, to the more daft ones about apocalyptic-level economy damage.

Fundamentally Brexit has a lot of boring negatives, which have undoubtedly weakened us in certain ways. Is it as bad as some of the more hysterical critics claimed? No, but that doesn't justify any criticism now being lumped in the 'Project Fear' box to avoid having to actually challenge the criticism, which is what For Us All is doing here.

The effects of Brexit are barely felt yet, Smogg is willing to wait for 50 years, I don`t have that long.

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5 hours ago, Joe B said:

Hate the use of 'Project Fear'. A lazy trope used to dismiss anything that counters the belief that Brexit will be an entirely positive experience.

It was utlised to lump all potential negatives of Brexit together; from rational ones like issues at the Irish border and food standards, to the more daft ones about apocalyptic-level economy damage.

Fundamentally Brexit has a lot of boring negatives, which have undoubtedly weakened us in certain ways. Is it as bad as some of the more hysterical critics claimed? No, but that doesn't justify any criticism now being lumped in the 'Project Fear' box to avoid having to actually challenge the criticism, which is what For Us All is doing here.

Re-writing history I feel.

 

I've never seen anyone claim that brexit will be entirely positive. I have seen remainers claim it is entirely negative however. It is definitely not a trope, prominent remainers literally tried to scare the nation into voting for remain by making possible adverse effects up.

 

Remember when they said we wouldn't have medications? Remember when they said brexit was death cult? The direct opposite is true in both cases. 

 

It may be lazy to label everything project fear, but it's only lazy because it's such low hanging fruit. 

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7 hours ago, WV said:

Any tangible benefits so far? Any positive impact at all? Seeing as brexiteers are so convinced they are right it should be an easy answer. No falsehoods or myths, just want actual facts. Anyone? 

You could ask Barnier and Von der Leyen for tangible benefits, they've both been reported in the press admitting to a big one in the last few months.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Re-writing history I feel.

 

I've never seen anyone claim that brexit will be entirely positive. I have seen remainers claim it is entirely negative however. It is definitely not a trope, prominent remainers literally tried to scare the nation into voting for remain by making possible adverse effects up.

 

Remember when they said we wouldn't have medications? Remember when they said brexit was death cult? The direct opposite is true in both cases. 

 

It may be lazy to label everything project fear, but it's only lazy because it's such low hanging fruit. 

Same on both sides.

However, Project Fear is a lazy term used to dismiss any and all criticism by some defenders of Brexit.

'The Irish Border issue is intractable and cannot be solved without Customs Union access/a United Ireland'

'Well, what about the financial meltdown you (by you, they mean anyone who voted Remain despite it being a political diaspora) predicted? That didn't happen! Project Fear'.

It's being used to divert attention from important discussions about the real, tangible issues that Brexit is beginning to expose now it is done and dusted and we are slowly coming out of a pandemic + state-subsidised economy. 

Some weirdos fetishised the flawed EU and made some daft prophecies about the sky falling down, and now rational, genuine concerns about the impact of Brexit are being lumped into the same basket and labelled 'Project Fear'. That's my gripe. Stupid cliche and shouldn't be used unless actually dealing with the silly predictions made by the EU fanatics which represent a small proportion of us who voted Remain and still feel Brexit offers more problems than solutions. 

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43 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

No but the fact he doesn't do or say anything that is racist, does.

Stating it's a fact does not make it true. The breaking point poster he stood in front of was racist.

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9 minutes ago, sunny boslem said:

Ive got something for you 

it ain’t got any worse 👍👍

To be fair to him, that hasn't answered his question, for the second time. 

You've, very reasonably, been asked to describe one tangible benefit to you/your family's life as a consequence of a political decision you defend fervently. Thus far, you haven't answered. 

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