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Beyond Brexit - A new dawn? A leap of faith?


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On 20/02/2021 at 14:00, For Us All said:

So you criticise someone on a spelling mistake and then go on to put someone on your ignore list because they picked you up on a similar spelling mistake you made.

Really?

Not really. He will not change his opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence so how can you debate with someone like that?  Its a waste of time. Nothing to do with him noting a spelling error FUA. 

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38 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Can you name any of the 24,000+ unelected bureaucrats in the EU?

There’s no unelected bureaucrats with any power. All commissioners are elected as well as the President and MEPs

Unlike The cronies made into Lords by this inept corrupt government for services to Brexit.

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

So giving away sovereignty is a sovereign act. That's an interesting take.

Sovereignty is the reason those decisions can be made.

You don't give it away by signing a trade agreement or travel agreement because it's sovereignty that allows you to make the decision to sign.  

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21 hours ago, JohnJames said:

There’s no unelected bureaucrats with any power. All commissioners are elected as well as the President and MEPs

Unlike The cronies made into Lords by this inept corrupt government for services to Brexit.

 

 

 

 

Are there no Labour /lib dem lords?

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21 hours ago, JohnJames said:

There’s no unelected bureaucrats with any power. All commissioners are elected as well as the President and MEPs

Unlike The cronies made into Lords by this inept corrupt government for services to Brexit.

 

 

 

 

All governments have them can you remember Baron Falconer of Thornton and  Baron Mandelson of Foy didn't he take up a position of a European Commisioner was he elected  (Could be wrong ) and also Alaister Cambell ? all cronies of Blair dont think it's just the Conservatives you might not remember a Labour government all in it for themselves, nothing new going on here all been done before.

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12 minutes ago, Mario said:

All governments have them can you remember Baron Falconer of Thornton and  Baron Mandelson of Foy didn't he take up a position of a European Commisioner was he elected  (Could be wrong ) and also Alaister Cambell ? all cronies of Blair dont think it's just the Conservatives you might not remember a Labour government all in it for themselves, nothing new going on here all been done before.

Only the UK have unelected politicians, EU countries don`t.

 

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4 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Only the UK have unelected politicians, EU countries don`t.

 

Do you have to voted in to be an European Commisioner or is it in the gift of the the government of the day ? Because Mandelson became one.

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28 minutes ago, geosname said:

Sovereignty is the reason those decisions can be made.

You don't give it away by signing a trade agreement or travel agreement because it's sovereignty that allows you to make the decision to sign.  

I don't think you understand how a treaty works. If you sign up for something like The European Convention on Human Rights you are then limited to to passing future laws that are compatible with that convention. So you agree to give up some sovereignty when you sign.

 

 

 

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