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1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

It’s funny listening to fans after games and sometimes on here too. It could have been 2-2 today......

I know - some of them are mad.  On chances it could have been 9-3 to us yesterday as well!

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Birchall said,'Why it is every time Tom doesn't play there is always a lot more crosses going in that he would have buried' Mmmm do you see a pattern developing there Birchy lad??? You sum it up

Hmm, you've managed to contradict yourself within the same post, which is good going even by your standards Ernie. "Cullen was playing well with his link up play", as well as "Cullen is not a lon

JA is doing a grand job on a lower budget than last season, with largely the same tools at his disposal. To put it in some context, if NA had remained in charge, I've next to no doubt that we would be

16 hours ago, TylerB said:

 

Don't know who it was earlier in the thread that said the game could have gone either way, but he watched a different game to myself. At 1-0 you're always a bit nervous going into the last 10 minutes no matter who you're playing, but today a win by two or three goals would have been fully deserved.

Cullen just needs a run of games and he'll be different gravy for us. We all love Tom Pope, but we're a better footballing side without him. That's not a slate on him as a footballer himself whatsoever, but his strengths mean that all too often we lump it forward early hoping he can make something of it against what is usually two 6 foot something lumps that have haggis for breakfast. There's a little bit of McPhee about Cullen although not on his level of course.

 

Secondly, imagine how good we'll be potentially when we have Taylor and Oyeleke back in the side? The below starting 11 excites me a lot, and I've not been the slightest bit excited for a Port Vale team for a long time now. Not saying that we should drop Joyce and not start with Pope some games... Horses for courses and all that. But for me this could be our strongest starting 11 on paper.

 

Brown

 

Gibbons

Smith

Legge

Montano

 

Oyeleke

Burgess

Taylor

 

Worrall

Amoo

Cullen

 

Which brings me to Scott Burgess. I expected nothing from him when he joined and though he would probably play a handful of games for the club in the Cups and probably be gone by January. He's like a Doug Loft in that he brings bags of energy to the midfield, and with Taylor our we really needed his legs today, and he more than played his part. Terrific stuff from him and the rest of the boys, and the gaffer himself.

 

Luke Joyce has to be in the team. He keeps us ticking, that midfield would get overrun. 

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5 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I just can’t understand what the ref saw. He had a clear, unobstructed view about 5 yards away of their guy had both feet off the ground. It was certainly not a 50/50 ball as someone suggested. 

I know everyone feels they get hard done to by refs by I really don’t think we get the rub of the green with any of them, not that it mattered in the end, thankfully. 

It was like Schumacher and Platini back in the day. The ref saw it and still didn't give it. Unbeliveable. Generally I thought the officials were very poor yesterday.

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23 minutes ago, Portvale4 said:

Luke Joyce has to be in the team. He keeps us ticking, that midfield would get overrun. 

I think Manny could do the holding role perfectly well (if fit) and if required. He certainly wouldn't have got knocked off the ball like Joyce did 2-3 times yesterday which very nearly led to a goal(s)

Could be an option at home where the 3 of them could interchange at will. 

It will be a welcome dilemma for Askey should Manny actually stay fit. (and that's a big if) 

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If fit Manny will play get into the team. He is the only central midfielder currently at the club who can run WITH the ball and go past players. None of our central midfielders do that.

JA will find a way to get him in the team probably at the expense of Burgess when Taylor is fit.

With Cullen upfront and Manny in behind, Taylor pushing on arriving late in the box, supply from Amoo and Worrall I think it could be an exciting attack with more goals coming our way towards the end of the season.

 

 

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13 hours ago, toyahw said:

Why all the talk about Amoo? That is the point. Where is the talk about Worrall, or Atkinson, or Conlon, or Bennett or Joyce. It is obsessive. That is the point. 

I think I know why, and that is because he is noticeable for some reason. Let me think why? And a stereotype, he is lazy, despite this not being true,

Let me think, hmmm. It is because he his black. That is why. He is easy to spot, Easy to pick on. 

It reminds me a bit of Marcus Harness. I thought he did okay for us. But he got ripped apart on here, Jacko made a good point that he was "noiiceable" with his hair. Fair point and this is why he got picked on.

He's doing alright for himself these days. 

Now I am not saying that this is racism per se. But these lads are under an unreasonable amount of scrutiny. And unfairly singled out, white blokes can be crap and no one mentions it. If you are a black bloke you will get murdered.

And this observation goes from way back. Just hope it will change. I'm sure many will say this is a bit Snowflake. And mention a load of our black heroes. But I still think our black players get singled out as hero or zero and lazy. Which is not fair,

Rant over.

If Amoo played like that every week he wouldn’t be at Port Vale but playing regular Div 1 or Championship.

He is a Port Vale player and when he plays to his ability is an excellent player and rightly gets the plaudits and encouragement from the fans.

Bennett is white and accused of being lazy and not putting himself about enough but nobody can say it is racist to criticise him.

When will Askey wake up to the fact that Cullen cannot play up front on his own but is a support player to assist Pope or possibly Bennett..

 

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25 minutes ago, Erniemossrules said:

If Amoo played like that every week he wouldn’t be at Port Vale but playing regular Div 1 or Championship.

He is a Port Vale player and when he plays to his ability is an excellent player and rightly gets the plaudits and encouragement from the fans.

Bennett is white and accused of being lazy and not putting himself about enough but nobody can say it is racist to criticise him.

When will Askey wake up to the fact that Cullen cannot play up front on his own but is a support player to assist Pope or possibly Bennett..

 

But we have a 100% win record when Cullen starts up front on his own!

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20 minutes ago, Erniemossrules said:

If Amoo played like that every week he wouldn’t be at Port Vale but playing regular Div 1 or Championship.

He is a Port Vale player and when he plays to his ability is an excellent player and rightly gets the plaudits and encouragement from the fans.

Bennett is white and accused of being lazy and not putting himself about enough but nobody can say it is racist to criticise him.

When will Askey wake up to the fact that Cullen cannot play up front on his own but is a support player to assist Pope or possibly Bennett..

 

Why not use Cullen as a deep lying centre forward, remember them, feeding wingers and midfielders arriving in the box?

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Here's a controversial view; I think the officials have been fairly reasonable for a while now.

They'll never get every decision right but there aren't many occassions I've come away incensed with the ref. We all give them a bit of stick for the sport of it but there's not been many times where I've been completely flummoxed/enraged.

There's an argument for their lad going off for the red on Monty, for sure. Bar that, I don't really remember the ref from yesterday at all, which is a good sign.

I can't think of any massively egregious errors against us this year; the penalty for Bradford away, maybe?

I'm in the minority but just think its become the narrative that the refs at this level are always atrocious, and whenever they, as humans, inevitably get a decision wrong, we fall into that trope.

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A Cambridge supporting friend was astonished when I told him that Amoo regularly plays from the start.

He said that Cambridge used him as an impact substitute.

Suggests that JA is developing him into a 90 minute player, which will take time.

Great stuff.

 

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5 hours ago, SFBT said:

You make some good points, reflecting that none of this stuff is simple.

It does frustrate me when players are singled out and, whatever they do, they're criticised.

Can't believe it's helpful.

 

Absolutely.  How can consistent criticism ever help a player?  can only harm his confidence and willingness to perform.  I honestly don't believe it is racism with Amoo, or Legge and Montana would also be singled out. We have had black players at the Vale for years without this racism accusation.  Blimey, Amoo is one of the few that has his own chant!!  I believe the biggest part of it is down to that the fact that he is devastating one week and ineffective the next.  But it isn't just about him is it. he may be up against a better full back, we may be struggling as a team and not getting the ball to him enough etc. First half yesterday we looked for Amoo all the time. The inconsistency isn't even match to match.  First half yesterday he was unplayable, first twenty minutes or so of the second half, terrible, playing it back, seemed frightened to attack, then all of a sudden switched again and score a cracker. As many have said if he didn't do this he would be above L2.  But when you have watched and been excited by him one week and frustrated the next some people, I guess, hit out. A  "steady" player does not get this.

Of course there will be a few racists everywhere, so they would be bound to join in, increasing the volume of criticism. I suppose.  I have certainly never heard anything that I thought for a second was racist inspired against Amoo.  It would be ridiculous if a persons hatred made them do something that harmed the Vale.

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2 hours ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

I think Manny could do the holding role perfectly well (if fit) and if required. He certainly wouldn't have got knocked off the ball like Joyce did 2-3 times yesterday which very nearly led to a goal(s)

Could be an option at home where the 3 of them could interchange at will. 

It will be a welcome dilemma for Askey should Manny actually stay fit. (and that's a big if) 

Admittedly, Joyce had one of his poorer games yesterday, but how times have we come away from a match and said Joyce has been our best player? I’d say quite regularly this season. I wouldn’t want Manny in that role. For one, his talents would be wasted, he excels when gliding past players. Secondly, he isn’t a holding midfielder. Joyce has been very good this season and it would be a huge kick in teeth if he got dropped. It won’t happen. 

Unfortunately, I think Burgess will be dropped. He’s improving with every game, but Manny and Taylor are better players. Don’t get me wrong, Burgess has a lot of talent and I’d be quick to tie him down with a new contract. 

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50 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Here's a controversial view; I think the officials have been fairly reasonable for a while now.

They'll never get every decision right but there aren't many occassions I've come away incensed with the ref. We all give them a bit of stick for the sport of it but there's not been many times where I've been completely flummoxed/enraged.

There's an argument for their lad going off for the red on Monty, for sure. Bar that, I don't really remember the ref from yesterday at all, which is a good sign.

I can't think of any massively egregious errors against us this year; the penalty for Bradford away, maybe?

I'm in the minority but just think its become the narrative that the refs at this level are always atrocious, and whenever they, as humans, inevitably get a decision wrong, we fall into that trope.

The Liner running the Lorne St side had a mare. Thought maybe his mum bought him a Liners kit for xmas and he was trying it out for the first time without stabilisers.

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59 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

Agree totally with foss69 if Amoo played like he did yesterday every game he would not be playing in league 2  he creates a lot of chances and chips in with few goals but you can’t expect him be like Ronaldo every week

Think he lacks confidence CV. Hoped his run and cross that Popey scored from against Man City  would have given him a massive boost, If he can do it there he can do it anywhere in our League. The frustrating thing is he has it in his locker, not asking him to do anything beyond his capability. Just need to open the locker door more often.

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1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

I think you’re doing the current players Who’ve been playing in the midfield a disservice, Mannys got a lot to prove to force his way back in.

A fit Manny is far better than anything we have in midfield. We played well yesterday but our midfield was definitely our weakness, Joyce had a bad game, Atkinson was our worst player on the pitch and Burgess put a lot of effort but no end product.

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