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On 09/01/2020 at 11:06, Jacko51 said:

I’m led to believe that Rawlinson’s departure wasn’t just a footballing decision but that may be wrong.  I don’t think Brisley is as bad as he looked in Tuesday. 

At the risk of being controversial, I didn't think Brisley was that terrible against Salford and I think he's looked alright in the other FLT games he's played. I personally think he offers more than Rawlinson (he's appears to do a lot of talking, he played more league games etc) and overall is decent cover for Legge and Smith. I suspect others may well disagree though...

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43 minutes ago, robf said:

At the risk of being controversial, I didn't think Brisley was that terrible against Salford and I think he's looked alright in the other FLT games he's played. I personally think he offers more than Rawlinson (he's appears to do a lot of talking, he played more league games etc) and overall is decent cover for Legge and Smith. I suspect others may well disagree though...

I think he looked rusty. His touch was off and he was taking too many touches at times and getting caught. But then again he hasn’t played a proper game for ages. I think in pervious games he hasn’t looked that bad to be fair to him. 

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I aren't going to make blanket statements about squad depth based on Tuesday.

It was a woeful performance but other performances suggest Atkinson, Conlon, and Browne can all contribute to an adequate standard.

There is potential in Archer (needs a loan spell as the main striker in the National League, pronto), and Brisley's played 40+ games in the Championship and 300 games at this level. He looked dodgy but hasn't played in ages.

Evans looked decent in his preferred central midfield location when he played there before going down with injury.

We haven't got a playoff squad but the depth is much, much better than recent years.

Cullen is disappointing though; it seems we signed him without understanding he couldn't play that lone striker role. Was a good move to only sign him on a years deal.

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4 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I aren't going to make blanket statements about squad depth based on Tuesday.

It was a woeful performance but other performances suggest Atkinson, Conlon, and Browne can all contribute to an adequate standard.

There is potential in Archer (needs a loan spell as the main striker in the National League, pronto), and Brisley's played 40+ games in the Championship and 300 games at this level. He looked dodgy but hasn't played in ages.

Evans looked decent in his preferred central midfield location when he played there before going down with injury.

We haven't got a playoff squad but the depth is much, much better than recent years.

Cullen is disappointing though; it seems we signed him without understanding he couldn't play that lone striker role. Was a good move to only sign him on a years deal.

All fair comments.

I’d add that when we have an off day it seems to affect most of the team, and this has also happened when the first choice 11 have had a bad day at the office.

With regards to Cullen, I thought he’d played as a lone striker for other clubs, but if so, it doesn’t appear to suit him in the role for us.  The Pope / Cullen pairing looks good on paper but I think the only time we see this is when we’re chasing the game.

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Askey has just released Joe Berks and Lucas Green-Birch. Neither of whom made a first-team appearance this season and just spent time on loan at Stafford Rangers and Market Drayton Town.

 

This leaves the squad now at 28 professionals, including four of haven't appeared in the league: Pugh (player-coach), Maddison (back-up goalkeeper), Hurst (on loan to Bradford PA) and Trickett-Smith.

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I'm a big Askey fan but its indisputable that his recruitment must be better than it was last summer.

Hopefully the new scouting team, and in my wildest dreams a slight engagement with stastical analysis to find the hidden gems, can bear some juicy fruit.

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19 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I'm a big Askey fan but its indisputable that his recruitment must be better than it was last summer.

Hopefully the new scouting team, and in my wildest dreams a slight engagement with stastical analysis to find the hidden gems, can bear some juicy fruit.

I get what you are saying Joe, but i'm sure it was quoted that after the astronomical rip off by our ex owner for the sale of the club, then this years budget was actually less than last years ? 

i might be wrong there. But if i'm correct he has had to have squad fillers 90% of which haven't paid off or barely played. Burgess being the main exception.

I have a feeling Askey will be quite astute and canny this summer with hopefully a better budget after the Man City game and hopefully Vale reaping some reward ( despite the charity status ) from the concert, eg Refreshments and alcohol sales.

I'd argue the keeper is adequate as a number 2, we have dropped on with Burgess. Let us also not forget despite his detractors on here that Bennett kept Pope out of the side for a lengthy period until maybe November ? so he is okay in my opinion.

Kennedy, Evans, Brisley all just numbers game. Archer the same as i don't quite see the hype over him from what i've seen. Cullen they keep saying isn't match sharp, yet it is nearly February. So again a squad filler..

Time will tell but i reckon Askey will address our shortcomings as he already has with pace and drive in midfield with the youngsters Taylor and Burgess.

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Yes I too expected our fringe players to really take the Salford game as a chance to impress the manager and push for a first team place. Didn't happen. Was that because they aren't good enough or not up for it ? Leave that to Askey. Strange one in that we are well into the season  and surely fringe players are fit by now. If they are lacking match sharpness, and I do get that, if when you come into the first team you dont grab your chance then the hard truth is  it slips away. Possibly a hard one to do but if you dont come in  make an impact  and bust a gut then you will be out of the side sitting on your butt.

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1 hour ago, darren1810 said:

I get what you are saying Joe, but i'm sure it was quoted that after the astronomical rip off by our ex owner for the sale of the club, then this years budget was actually less than last years ? 

i might be wrong there. But if i'm correct he has had to have squad fillers 90% of which haven't paid off or barely played. Burgess being the main exception.

I have a feeling Askey will be quite astute and canny this summer with hopefully a better budget after the Man City game and hopefully Vale reaping some reward ( despite the charity status ) from the concert, eg Refreshments and alcohol sales.

I'd argue the keeper is adequate as a number 2, we have dropped on with Burgess. Let us also not forget despite his detractors on here that Bennett kept Pope out of the side for a lengthy period until maybe November ? so he is okay in my opinion.

Kennedy, Evans, Brisley all just numbers game. Archer the same as i don't quite see the hype over him from what i've seen. Cullen they keep saying isn't match sharp, yet it is nearly February. So again a squad filler..

Time will tell but i reckon Askey will address our shortcomings as he already has with pace and drive in midfield with the youngsters Taylor and Burgess.

Budget was lower, and the club did very well in a chaotic summer, but the signings were obviously Askey using his contacts/good knowledge.

I'd like to see more inventiveness this season. Oyeleke for example, when not injured, was a superb signing from Aldershot. We need more like that. Not all non-league, but under the radar players.

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I'm a big Askey fan but its indisputable that his recruitment must be better than it was last summer.

Hopefully the new scouting team, and in my wildest dreams a slight engagement with stastical analysis to find the hidden gems, can bear some juicy fruit.

This sums up my feelings perfectly. No doubt that Askey is a fantastic coach for this level, but most of his signings have been below par.

 

If that's not his strength then that's fine by me, he can't be good at everything and he's certainly a good enough coach/man manager to get a tune out of players. But we need some help if we are going to be spending our cup/Robbie money in the summer.

 

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It's clear that without Taylor or Oyeleke in the side we have little midfield energy and in my opinion this is the reason for recent bad performances - we sit too deep without someone driving midfield, and our defence isn't so reliable under pressure, especially from sides that have something to play for.

We're not alone in this, and you only have to see Vale's results against sides higher in the table for proof. If we want to join them though the midfield conundrum has to be solved.

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Amoo,Taylor &Burgess have all been good signings... the rest nothing but squad players but we all knew that in the summer. Only exception is Cullen who has been disappointing. His movement in the box is very good but his all-round game just does not fit in with our system, plus he always looks really heavy legged. I'm not sure if he is still match fit but its chicken and egg.. never going to get fit sat on the subs bench each week.

Every manager as hit and miss with signings... all of them can't be a huge success. Even JR and MA got signings wrong.

We really need to try and move on some of our fringe players to bring in 2 or 3 who will improve the first 11. Forget the summer we need to keep evolving and try to kick on again in this transfer window.

Our problem is other than Browne who do we have with potential to come off the bench and change a game not going our way?

Please also don't forget where we have come from in the summer... we are now looking a lot more attractive club than we have over the past 3-4 years. A manager with a tactical plan and owners with a progress plan. I'm also sure other clubs will have taken notice of the improvement we have made to Taylor . This should put us in a better position finding players to loan from Champ clubs.

In Askey we trust.

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We are at least 4 quality players short of what we need in order to compete at top end of the table. We have a decent starting 11 when everyone is fit but it only takes a few injuries or suspensions and then we are struggling with the players that we have waiting in reserve. Some have been given plenty of opportunities and for whatever reason they haven’t stepped up to the plate when required. A big summer ahead in terms of player recruitment if we want to compete at the top end next season. 

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