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25 minutes ago, bycars rob said:

A man of intellect and decency, just what the country needs. Good luck to Keir, I hope and believe he can bring both party and the country together.   

I see Boris wants a meeting with him, my tip is make it via zoom, typical tory dirty tricks! 

Or maybe it’s to get the opposition party’s up to speed with the current crisis especially as the main opposition party has a new leader as well as try to keep the political parties united at this current time.

then again, you probably believe the Russians that Covid 19 was instigated by the Americans and Boris. 

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50 minutes ago, Essex Vale said:

I am not a supporter of the Labour party. From your post above you seem to be against his appointment because of the following:

1. His gender

2. His ethnicity

3. His social background

4. His professional achievements which lead to his appearance on the honours list.

I think any reasonable person reading this can determine the value of your post...……...Sir

 

More to do with his involvement with the cps perhaps.....?

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55 minutes ago, bycars rob said:

A man of intellect and decency, just what the country needs. Good luck to Keir, I hope and believe he can bring both party and the country together.   

I see Boris wants a meeting with him, my tip is make it via zoom, typical tory dirty tricks! 

We don’t need a backstabber to bring the country together.A  Conservative Gov. and a virus have done that.

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I see Jezza has advised 'Sir' not to accept the PM's invitation for a government unity meeting to tackle Covid-19.

Is this in the country's best interest?

 

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Jezza needs to crawl under a rock and stay there. All party leaders have been invited as they have before, why would Labour not want a representative there?

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Strange times we are living in....Pandemics and Labour choosing a white male and a Knight of realm to boot, best of a bad bunch in my opinion,his shadow cabinet will be interesting.

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1 hour ago, geosname said:

More to do with his involvement with the cps perhaps.....?

That is not what the original poster said. I am unhappy that you have used my quote to make a point on which no one had previously made a comment. If you wish to comment about Sir Keir's CPS history that is fine but please do not use my words  in response to an entirely different post to seek to make your point.

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1 minute ago, Essex Vale said:

That is not what the original poster said. I am unhappy that you have used my quote to make a point on which no one had previously made a comment. If you wish to comment about Sir Keir's CPS history that is fine but please do not use my words  in response to an entirely different post to seek to make your point.

Furthermore, let me repeat I am not a supporter of Sir Keir, and I am not a supporter of the Labour party.  My original post was to query the reasons why someone should oppose him.  The reasons given had nothing to do with anything reasonable or rational, hence my post.  Others may wish to question Sir Keir's history of CPS work, that is fair comment.  However, I have made no comment at all about Sir Keir, and I do not intend to. My comments were about my perception that the opposition of someone on the site to Sir Keir's appointment was based on utterly irrelevant issues around age, ethnicity, background and title. None of that matters a jot and it is reprehensible to suggest it does.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Joe B said:

I assumed you'd be against the identity politics nonsense that goes with 'white male' and 'left wing people have to be working class". Apparently not. Why would him being white, a man, and a knight prevent him from representing the working class?

Starmer is an established, successful public servant who seems eminently qualified to lead a political party.

I also fail to see why being a socialist would prevent him from being recognised by the Queen for his service to law and order. Are only Tories allowed to be honoured? Is he not allowed to be a socialist and have respect for his monarch, and therefore accept honours when bestowed on him?

I'm not his biggest fan and have no real affiliation with Labour any more, just found this comment a bit bad.

 

 

11 hours ago, Essex Vale said:

I am not a supporter of the Labour party. From your post above you seem to be against his appointment because of the following:

1. His gender

2. His ethnicity

3. His social background

4. His professional achievements which lead to his appearance on the honours list.

I think any reasonable person reading this can determine the value of your post...……...Sir

 

My post was a joke in fairness.

I am wholeheartedly against identity politics and have been extremely vocal about that in other political threads on here.

I didn't really offer an opinion on starmer, more a bit of fun poked at some of the rhetoric posted on here by people who do believe that gender and skin colour is an important factor in politics. Many of the new style labour voters preach these politics yet the twice they've been asked to elect a leader for their party they've been unable to elect a female and or person of colour yet again.

 

I think he is dull but I admire anyone who is as successful as he has been outside of politics. He has a very tough job on his hands with the labour party pulling in different directions. 

 

To be clear, nothing against him personally and glad to be rid of a maniac like corbyn.

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8 hours ago, Essex Vale said:

Furthermore, let me repeat I am not a supporter of Sir Keir, and I am not a supporter of the Labour party.  My original post was to query the reasons why someone should oppose him.  The reasons given had nothing to do with anything reasonable or rational, hence my post.  Others may wish to question Sir Keir's history of CPS work, that is fair comment.  However, I have made no comment at all about Sir Keir, and I do not intend to. My comments were about my perception that the opposition of someone on the site to Sir Keir's appointment was based on utterly irrelevant issues around age, ethnicity, background and title. None of that matters a jot and it is reprehensible to suggest it does.

 

 

Agree entirely Essex Vale! 

 

My post doesn't include context but the people I am poking fun at will know exactly who they are, and they know full well my thoughts on identity politics...

 

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9 hours ago, Essex Vale said:

 My original post was to query the reasons why someone should oppose him.  

I offered a reason why some might.

Personally..... if he did devise Labour's brexit policy it suggests a lack of understanding.

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All this stuff about whether or not someone's background makes them a suitable Labour leader is absolute rubbish.  Clement Attlee was a public school schoolboy, educated at Oxford.  The Left's messiah, Tony Benn, was originally Viscount Stansgate a title given to his father who was Secretary of State for India - I doubt his family were short of a bob or two.  Harold Wilson, like Starmer, was a grammar school boy and he went to Oxford so couldn't possibly have become a Labour PM by current standards. 

Surely what is important is not where someone has come from but where they want to go.

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35 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

All this stuff about whether or not someone's background makes them a suitable Labour leader is absolute rubbish.  Clement Attlee was a public school schoolboy, educated at Oxford.  The Left's messiah, Tony Benn, was originally Viscount Stansgate a title given to his father who was Secretary of State for India - I doubt his family were short of a bob or two.  Harold Wilson, like Starmer, was a grammar school boy and he went to Oxford so couldn't possibly have become a Labour PM by current standards. 

Surely what is important is not where someone has come from but where they want to go.

In total agreement but there are so many Labour supporters and MPs who criticise private education and the elite. That’s why the tongue in cheek comments come against Smarmer, Corbyn etc.

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I’m really pleased that Long Bailey hasn’t become the leader. Personally I preferred Nandy, but she has no or little experience. I’d like Starmer to bring her into the government as a future leader, however by then she’ll have probably changed her principles. I see the left have Rayner as the deputy, this type of relationship didn’t work with Corbyn and Watson, so will it work again.?

We need to remember that the Tories only have power because Labour voters couldn’t trust Corbyn. In these challenging times the Tories aren’t covering themselves in glory and they’re to indecisive. I thought Johnson would be a good leader and stated he’d be like Churchill. There is no clarity around what he says, in fighting Covid-19, and his sanctions are too soft. Perhaps he meant the dog from Churchill adverts. I have friends in Spain you are only allowed out on your own, you can only go out to go the chemist, shop or doctors. You must produce receipts to prove you’ve been to the shop and it’s a €1,000 fine for breaching these rules. They are into day 24 of lockdown.

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I’m really pleased that Long Bailey hasn’t become the leader. Personally I preferred Nandy, but she has no or little experience. I’d like Starmer to bring her into the government as a future leader, however by then she’ll have probably changed her principles. I see the left have Rayner as the deputy, this type of relationship didn’t work with Corbyn and Watson, so will it work again.?

We need to remember that the Tories only have power because Labour voters couldn’t trust Corbyn. In these challenging times the Tories aren’t covering themselves in glory and they’re to indecisive. I thought Johnson would be a good leader and stated he’d be like Churchill. There is no clarity around what he says, in fighting Covid-19, and his sanctions are too soft. Perhaps he meant the dog from Churchill adverts. I have friends in Spain you are only allowed out on your own, you can only go out to go the chemist, shop or doctors. You must produce receipts to prove you’ve been to the shop and it’s a €1,000 fine for breaching these rules. They are into day 24 of lockdown.

What I’m saying is he could become the next leader as voters could flock back, due to the incompetence of the current government. For you those who say that we’re a long way off a general election, ppl don’t forget. This should be the Tories foundation  with a view to building trust and proving they can lead our country through tough times. Does anyone believe a word that they tell us when ppl outside the government offer facts and figures that could contradict what the government tell us. Gove and Hancock I wouldn’t put either of them in charge of my sock drawer.

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1 hour ago, Playa Amodores said:

I’m really pleased that Long Bailey hasn’t become the leader. Personally I preferred Nandy, but she has no or little experience. I’d like Starmer to bring her into the government as a future leader, however by then she’ll have probably changed her principles. I see the left have Rayner as the deputy, this type of relationship didn’t work with Corbyn and Watson, so will it work again.?

We need to remember that the Tories only have power because Labour voters couldn’t trust Corbyn. In these challenging times the Tories aren’t covering themselves in glory and they’re to indecisive. I thought Johnson would be a good leader and stated he’d be like Churchill. There is no clarity around what he says, in fighting Covid-19, and his sanctions are too soft. Perhaps he meant the dog from Churchill adverts. I have friends in Spain you are only allowed out on your own, you can only go out to go the chemist, shop or doctors. You must produce receipts to prove you’ve been to the shop and it’s a €1,000 fine for breaching these rules. They are into day 24 of lockdown.

I admit I am a Tory Party member. But that aside the daily briefings are highly analytical and specific. There is no vagueness to them at all and they are subjecting themselves to the full scrutiny of the media and some very knowledgeable and capable journalists. The response has been far from incompetent albeit difficult. Even the greatest difficulty, a starting point of no major testing labs in the UK, has been addressed with the best possible response and scaling up is going as fast as it can.

Starmer is a career long human rights lawyer who was given the opportunity to head the CPS and got his knighthood the way of all holders of such high office are unfortunately given this bonus. You think he is minded to take a tough stance against the individual or society on anything?

Starmer needs to be given a chance. Maybe he can produce something even with the millstone of the left wing membership and unions around his neck. I struggle to see how Rayner will work. I respect her background, but in high office you need a first rate mind to cope with the workload and the complex issues. She simply hasn't got it. Starmer may manage a comeback, but at the moment I think the Labour has probably reached a position where it will survive but not be in a position to take office as a majority government ever again. Meanwhile in Scotland it may be that the demise of President Sturgeon is being quietly penned by the acquitted former comrade right now. Her attempt to assassinate him has failed. 

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3 hours ago, philpvfc said:

In total agreement but there are so many Labour supporters and MPs who criticise private education and the elite. That’s why the tongue in cheek comments come against Smarmer, Corbyn etc.

But Starmer wasn’t privately educated?

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4 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

All this stuff about whether or not someone's background makes them a suitable Labour leader is absolute rubbish.  Clement Attlee was a public school schoolboy, educated at Oxford.  The Left's messiah, Tony Benn, was originally Viscount Stansgate a title given to his father who was Secretary of State for India - I doubt his family were short of a bob or two.  Harold Wilson, like Starmer, was a grammar school boy and he went to Oxford so couldn't possibly have become a Labour PM by current standards. 

Surely what is important is not where someone has come from but where they want to go.

Agreed...I can never understand why the left have such a hang up about where someone has come from and what there education was.

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41 minutes ago, Mario said:

Agreed...I can never understand why the left have such a hang up about where someone has come from and what there education was.

Because they struggle to debate without merely trying to dismiss opposing views. 

Same reason they call everyone racist.

 

Problem is they dont hold themselves to the same standards they claim to expect from others. 

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