Labour leadership

[Bycarsbill]

12 hours ago, For Us All said:

Apparently,one labour campaigner knocked on a door in the North East and asked the occupier if they would be voting for Labour,they said no.When asked why,the occupier said "Well,I can't imagine Corbyn going around with a bucket collecting for Help For Heroes"?

Corbyn would probably consider collecting for the IRA or Hez Bollah causes!

[geosname]

14 hours ago, Heatwave said:

He'd serve lunch to anyone if he thought he'd get a political advantage from doing so.

Be in no doubt, the only one Boris cares about is Boris. 

Any politician with any sense would mate, that's politics.

[Jacko51]

Bob, if the Labour Party truly believes that the British people will ever want socialism in this country they will never be elected again.  British people are conservative with a small c by nature.  What they want is social democracy where the exisiting system is improved to benefit all, not a completely changed system where capitalism is chucked out of the window.

Having wonderful socialist ideas of equality for all and no billionnaires is all well and good but if you are never elected to put such ideas into practice it is completely pointless. 

[Jacko51]

9 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Well, the proof as they say will be in the (Christmas) pudding--if Boris only shows care and compassion for himself, he ain't gonna get re-elected.  And however ego-centric you paint him, one thing's for sure, he ain't thick.  So let's see. I'm not claiming he'll look after people because he's compassionate, he'll undoubtedly do it for good electoral reasons--after all, that's the way politics generally works. So I expect you'll have to come back in time and eat the words in your last sentence!

You have confirmed in your post exactly what Heatwave was saying.  " I'm not claiming he'll look after people because he's compassionate, he'll undoubtedly do it for good electoral reasons."  Precisely, he will do whatever it takes to get himself re-elected - not for the good of the country but for the good of Boris.

[geosname]

11 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

You have confirmed in your post exactly what Heatwave was saying.  " I'm not claiming he'll look after people because he's compassionate, he'll undoubtedly do it for good electoral reasons."  Precisely, he will do whatever it takes to get himself re-elected - not for the good of the country but for the good of Boris.

On the other hand if what he does benefits the country will anyone care why he did it?

[bobvale]

Jacko51, to be exact in my opinion, voters over about the age of 50 are conservative with little cs. what will happen as my generation passes away may see a change. I certainly believe that the current system does not work any more as you can see if you look around our streets and in our schools and hospitals and the enviroment.

also, please could I say thank you to you for your thoughtfull posts. I appreciate them very much in deed. my son said that I should come on here as I was getting frustrated with politics and am a vale fan. I don't have many people to talk to about the politics since my love passed away and I am not always well enough to go to my day center. so I am greatfull to you for listening and not just saying the same things that the others do and thinking that you can decide who cares about this country and who deosnt. cheers my friend.

[Jacko51]

39 minutes ago, bobvale said:

Jacko51, to be exact in my opinion, voters over about the age of 50 are conservative with little cs. what will happen as my generation passes away may see a change. I certainly believe that the current system does not work any more as you can see if you look around our streets and in our schools and hospitals and the enviroment.

also, please could I say thank you to you for your thoughtfull posts. I appreciate them very much in deed. my son said that I should come on here as I was getting frustrated with politics and am a vale fan. I don't have many people to talk to about the politics since my love passed away and I am not always well enough to go to my day center. so I am greatfull to you for listening and not just saying the same things that the others do and thinking that you can decide who cares about this country and who deosnt. cheers my friend.

Thank you for those kind words, Bob. 

[Bycarsbill]

3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

You have confirmed in your post exactly what Heatwave was saying.  " I'm not claiming he'll look after people because he's compassionate, he'll undoubtedly do it for good electoral reasons."  Precisely, he will do whatever it takes to get himself re-elected - not for the good of the country but for the good of Boris.

As ever, you're missing the point.  In this particular case, the good for Boris is completely tied-up with what's good for the country--it's called pragmatism--both mine & Boris's and not the one-eyed subjectivity you're once again showing. Stop being bitter and twisted about the man and stop to think about it and try a bit of logical objectivity--you might even enjoy it.

[bobvale]

you talk about being one-eyed subjectivity but then seem to think that you can decide who cares about there country and who doesn't. People like you sicken me, how dare you feel that you can judge people on if they are a patriot or not. You selfishly voted for a man who will in my opinion make many many peoples lifes worse and yet you think you can have a go at someone and decide if they care about this country or not. I am not a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn himself but where do you get off questioning if he is decent or not? There is still a britsh lady in an iran or Iraq prison thanks to your boris johnstone, the good people of one of our greatest citys were insulted by him, people have been racialy insulted because of his terrible words and yet you decide to snear at a man who campains for peace. Your snears about him collecting for the ira are also lies. I think it is your selfish 'I am all right jack' attitude that is not patriotic, not Jeremy Corbyn. you also insulted someone just for saying they liked Corbyn in an earlier post.

[Jacko51]

39 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

As ever, you're missing the point.  In this particular case, the good for Boris is completely tied-up with what's good for the country--it's called pragmatism--both mine & Boris's and not the one-eyed subjectivity you're once again showing. Stop being bitter and twisted about the man and stop to think about it and try a bit of logical objectivity--you might even enjoy it.

Pragmatism.  Is that when you change from being a remainer to a leaver because you think that will be better for your career rather than the country?  I'm not bitter and twisted about anyone - certainly nothing like as much as you are about Corbyn (whom I dislike as you may have realised).  Logic and history tells me that Boris Johnson does whatever will progress the career of Boris Johnson whether good for the country or not.  If you can't see that then I'm afraid it's you who's one eyed.  Would Thatcher, for example, have sold off some of the UK's defence capability to Trump and Co to keep the US happy in advance of our wonderful trade deal with them?  Would she buggery.  Would any other Prime Minister have dumped on Northern Ireland after saying he would never do such a thing?  

Johnson has a very tenuous relationship with the truth.  And don't say "what about .....?" we're talking about Johnson here and he has spent his life and career lying to his bosses, his wife, the lasses he was having affairs with.  I can't recall any other Prime Minister who has had a whole website devoted to his dishonesty. 

You support the guy if you want, that's your choice, but don't expect me to fall into line behind a bloke with no conscience and little emotional intelligence. 

[Regal Beagle]

1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

As ever, you're missing the point.  In this particular case, the good for Boris is completely tied-up with what's good for the country--it's called pragmatism--both mine & Boris's and not the one-eyed subjectivity you're once again showing. Stop being bitter and twisted about the man and stop to think about it and try a bit of logical objectivity--you might even enjoy it.

 

It's crazy to demand a higher standard from "the other side" than your own.

 

Why did Corbyn refuse to back remain, keeping up the utter garbage of either not deciding or remaining neutral? He did it because he wanted to try and appeal to both sides of a binary vote. We know full well he didn't do it in line with his own principles - in fact he was going against them. Almost every person in politics is doing it for themselves first and foremost and I'm confident that everyone who sees themselves as a potential party leader is definitely in that camp too.

Soubry is another great example, demanding a second vote because of material changes to brexit but denying her constituents a second vote after she left the tory party.

 

Boris is only in it for Boris is just a throw away insult in my opinion. As Bycarsbill points out, that will surely mean that he will have to do at least SOME good for the public to re-elect him in 5 years time. There is also no evidence that I have seen that he is any more egocentric than anyone else in the political scene currently.

[For Us All]

45 minutes ago, bobvale said:

you talk about being one-eyed subjectivity but then seem to think that you can decide who cares about there country and who doesn't. People like you sicken me, how dare you feel that you can judge people on if they are a patriot or not. You selfishly voted for a man who will in my opinion make many many peoples lifes worse and yet you think you can have a go at someone and decide if they care about this country or not. I am not a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn himself but where do you get off questioning if he is decent or not? There is still a britsh lady in an iran or Iraq prison thanks to your boris johnstone, the good people of one of our greatest citys were insulted by him, people have been racialy insulted because of his terrible words and yet you decide to snear at a man who campains for peace. Your snears about him collecting for the ira are also lies. I think it is your selfish 'I am all right jack' attitude that is not patriotic, not Jeremy Corbyn. you also insulted someone just for saying they liked Corbyn in an earlier post.

Labour and it's supporters need to stop preaching and telling people what to care for.Try listening to what the electorate actually care about.

 

[TheSage]

Boris Johnson is the most dishonest PM in history, a complete buffoon who doesn't know his brief, waffles garbled rubbish and avoids scrutiny as much as possible.

After all his pronouncements regarding poor people, the citizens of Liverpool, Muslim women and single parent families, I'm staggered that anyone with any integrity or sense of right and wrong would vote for him. 

I haven't even mentioned his dubious standards of morality and refusal to say how many children he fathered, nor his continual stream of lies from the 70 million Turks to the no border in the Irish Sea.

Nor his blatant lying to the Queen. Nor his attempt to close down Parliament.

You can be a Tory. You can be on the right of politics. But if you can't condemn Johnson and all his appalling lies and slurs then more fool you. 

Little wonder that decent Tories like Grieve and Major and Patten and Gauke and the rest dropped him like a stone. He's an arrogant, self-serving clown. And some of us on here I guess are more than happy to have been with the 55% of the electorate who didn't vote for Johnson.

[Jacko51]

37 minutes ago, For Us All said:

stop preaching

 

I wish to god you would.

[geosname]

44 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Boris Johnson is the most dishonest PM in history, a complete buffoon who doesn't know his brief, waffles garbled rubbish and avoids scrutiny as much as possible.

After all his pronouncements regarding poor people, the citizens of Liverpool, Muslim women and single parent families, I'm staggered that anyone with any integrity or sense of right and wrong would vote for him. 

I haven't even mentioned his dubious standards of morality and refusal to say how many children he fathered, nor his continual stream of lies from the 70 million Turks to the no border in the Irish Sea.

Nor his blatant lying to the Queen. Nor his attempt to close down Parliament.

You can be a Tory. You can be on the right of politics. But if you can't condemn Johnson and all his appalling lies and slurs then more fool you. 

Little wonder that decent Tories like Grieve and Major and Patten and Gauke and the rest dropped him like a stone. He's an arrogant, self-serving clown. And some of us on here I guess are more than happy to have been with the 55% of the electorate who didn't vote for Johnson.

I don't question your opinion of Boris..... but with all that jezza got his ass kicked so hard it will be 10 years before he can sit down again and it won't be in his desired seat when he does.

I'm not a Tory or Boris supporter by any means but Christ on a bike jezza was bloody awful.