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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Can you imagine that patriot!!!!!!!! Corbyn serving Christmas lunch to our troops abraod?  Well done Boris.  Whatever anyone thinks of him, he at least is a proper patriot--certainly one of the main reasons that he walloped Jezza in the GE!

He'd serve lunch to anyone if he thought he'd get a political advantage from doing so.

Be in no doubt, the only one Boris cares about is Boris. 

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I think the patriot thing to do is to insure our brave soldiers are not sent off to fight ilegal wars, are correctly funded and not fighting against enemys who are using weapons sold by the british. I also think that insuring that veterans are properly looked after rather than living on the streets is very patriotic. But it appears that some simple folk lap up photo ops of johnstone serving dinner to soldiers and use it as an excuse to laugh at Corbyn. believe me, making sure this country looks after the majority rather than the lucky few is very patriotic, whereas voting just for your self and thinking to hell with the poor and the homeless and the future generations is very unpatriotic. Who is the patriot now bycarsbill? Not you that is for sure.

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geosname, why should they form another party. What a strange thing to say. It is a socialist party again and that is what labour are. Jeremy Corbyn and the next leader are democratic elected by half a million members. who are you to say that half a million suporters should start a new party?

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22 minutes ago, bobvale said:

geosname, why should they form another party. What a strange thing to say. It is a socialist party again and that is what labour are. Jeremy Corbyn and the next leader are democratic elected by half a million members. who are you to say that half a million suporters should start a new party?

And you will be the Opposition party for many years to come. What use is that to all the electorate who want to come back to Labour, but not if the current set up exists.

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if the people who vote are frightened of a labour party that is socialist then they should really be looking for another party, OR labour should try and convert them to there ideas. I think that they are currently doing the later, with things like bringing the trains back in house, treating the internet as infastructure, making private schools pay tax and so on. Another leader, Brexit done and not so many free policys should see them do better in my opinion. I ask again, why did Gordon brown and Edward Miliband not win if people are crying for a middle of the road labour party? Why has bishop Auckland been hemarijing votes since the 1990s and why did people not turn to the change party or the liberals if people so much want a middle ground party? why did Corbyn do so well relatively in 2017 if people hate left wingers? Still no body has answered that or if they have I have forgotten my apologys.

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6 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Can you imagine that patriot!!!!!!!! Corbyn serving Christmas lunch to our troops abraod?  Well done Boris.  Whatever anyone thinks of him, he at least is a proper patriot--certainly one of the main reasons that he walloped Jezza in the GE!

Apparently,one labour campaigner knocked on a door in the North East and asked the occupier if they would be voting for Labour,they said no.When asked why,the occupier said "Well,I can't imagine Corbyn going around with a bucket collecting for Help For Heroes"?

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1 hour ago, bobvale said:

geosname, why should they form another party. What a strange thing to say. It is a socialist party again and that is what labour are. Jeremy Corbyn and the next leader are democratic elected by half a million members. who are you to say that half a million suporters should start a new party?

 

45 minutes ago, bobvale said:

if the people who vote are frightened of a labour party that is socialist then they should really be looking for another party, OR labour should try and convert them to there ideas. I think that they are currently doing the later, with things like bringing the trains back in house, treating the internet as infastructure, making private schools pay tax and so on. Another leader, Brexit done and not so many free policys should see them do better in my opinion. I ask again, why did Gordon brown and Edward Miliband not win if people are crying for a middle of the road labour party? Why has bishop Auckland been hemarijing votes since the 1990s and why did people not turn to the change party or the liberals if people so much want a middle ground party? why did Corbyn do so well relatively in 2017 if people hate left wingers? Still no body has answered that or if they have I have forgotten my apologys.

Let's start with the assumption that a political party should represent the people, what the people want and need... this is probably achieved best by listening to the people not telling them what they want or what they should have.

Political parties do/should not convert people, that's usually the domain of cults and religions. Think of it more like the party joining the people rather than the people joining the party.

Corby didn't do so well in 2017, he lost although he claimed it as a victory, he increased Labour's vote against a party in disarray and promised to honour the result of the referendum.... for some reason he saw that as a victory and ploughed ahead but ditched the referendum promise and got slaughtered in 2019.

The other parties you mention wanted to stop brexit so hardly an obvious choice for people who voted to leave.... whereas Labour said they would honour the result.... before changing it's mind.... although jezza is an ardent leaver he didn't speak up for it which could lead you to conclude that jezza wasn't leading the party rather someone in the party was leading jezza.

The above has only touched on the brexit side of Labour, I could continue about spending billions on a nuclear deterrent that isn't a deterrent and would never be used, whether it's a good idea to nationalise, 32 hour working week, giving workers shares etc etc but that would be the longest post in history.

In its simplest form..... Labour was formed to represent the working class, to improve their conditions.... the working class have voted against what Labour proposed..... that should indicate to any sensible person that Labour have lost touch, taken the wrong direction and unless they change path will fail to represent the people for some time.

Labour has to realise that even if they win an election by a big majority they will be dragging about 60% of the electorate who didn't vote for them in a direction they didn't want to go.... which totally destroys their motto.... for the many not the few.... and the farther left they go the less chance they have of winning a second term and implimenting their policies.

 

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Not too sure what BBC news clips you get to see in the 'Old Dart, but last night - whilst taking a break from helping Mrs Claus - I watched as Mr Corbyn defiantly say that Labour had all the right policies for the UK, that Boris Johnson could not be trusted, and that electorate got it wrong.

Wow!

Is this a form of '1984 Newspeak' where Big Brother reworks the narrative? Or...?  

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1 hour ago, Aussie Rules said:

Not too sure what BBC news clips you get to see in the 'Old Dart, but last night - whilst taking a break from helping Mrs Claus - I watched as Mr Corbyn defiantly say that Labour had all the right policies for the UK, that Boris Johnson could not be trusted, and that electorate got it wrong.

Wow!

Is this a form of '1984 Newspeak' where Big Brother reworks the narrative? Or...?  

All in all we're just another brick in the wall.

Oh òh we're in trouble the election came along and burst our (Westminster) bubble.

 

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6 hours ago, bobvale said:

if the people who vote are frightened of a labour party that is socialist then they should really be looking for another party, OR labour should try and convert them to there ideas. I think that they are currently doing the later, with things like bringing the trains back in house, treating the internet as infastructure, making private schools pay tax and so on. Another leader, Brexit done and not so many free policys should see them do better in my opinion. I ask again, why did Gordon brown and Edward Miliband not win if people are crying for a middle of the road labour party? Why has bishop Auckland been hemarijing votes since the 1990s and why did people not turn to the change party or the liberals if people so much want a middle ground party? why did Corbyn do so well relatively in 2017 if people hate left wingers? Still no body has answered that or if they have I have forgotten my apologys.

Your post seems to represent the current prevailing view point among the party leadership. Labour aren't listening to what people want they are telling people what they want them to want. Labour was always a coalition of left of centre views. It has become a socialist party. I have voted for all 3 national parties and will continue to cast my vote for whoever is most in tune with my views. Sadly I don't see Labour doing so; as momentum have such a hold on the grass roots in any leadership election the outcome will be to carry on in the same direction. The country needs an effective opposition party and if Labour can't offer it then I hope the Lib Dems start turning the percentage share of votes into MPs in 5 years time. 

Example. Very few working class people use the trains to go to work. They travel off peak to Manchester or Birmingham once in a while for a day out. The only people I know pushing for re nationalisation of the railways both work for the railways, both are very well paid for the local area and both think they will get paid more and work less. I get it's a vote winner with railway workers but for most of the population it's a massively expensive irrelevance. Build some decent tram services in major urban centres would have a positive impact on people's day to day lives. 

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9 hours ago, Aussie Rules said:

Not too sure what BBC news clips you get to see in the 'Old Dart, but last night - whilst taking a break from helping Mrs Claus - I watched as Mr Corbyn defiantly say that Labour had all the right policies for the UK, that Boris Johnson could not be trusted, and that electorate got it wrong.

Wow!

Is this a form of '1984 Newspeak' where Big Brother reworks the narrative? Or...?  

This is the prevailing nonsense from most of the top Labour Corbynistas--telling the electorate that they don't 'get it'. No, it's you thickos in the socialist, Momentum, London-centric, liberal elite bubble that DON'T GET IT!! Great quote from that berk Clive Lewis when he threw his hat into the leadership ring 2 days ago, quote: Mr Corbyn didn't move Labour far enough away from the Blair years--blooming heck--the implication is that he's advocating going even more to the left!  Difficult to understand the mentality of these delude left-wingers!

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14 hours ago, Heatwave said:

He'd serve lunch to anyone if he thought he'd get a political advantage from doing so.

Be in no doubt, the only one Boris cares about is Boris. 

Well, the proof as they say will be in the (Christmas) pudding--if Boris only shows care and compassion for himself, he ain't gonna get re-elected.  And however ego-centric you paint him, one thing's for sure, he ain't thick.  So let's see. I'm not claiming he'll look after people because he's compassionate, he'll undoubtedly do it for good electoral reasons--after all, that's the way politics generally works. So I expect you'll have to come back in time and eat the words in your last sentence!

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1 hour ago, bobvale said:

what is the point? People still won't (or can't) answer why centre parties and labour leaders have done rubbish and they carry on with the untrue rubbish about momentum. 

Do you understand the question you are asking?

Why do centre Labour leaders do rubbish?..... in the elections?

Labour have been in power for approximately 13 years out of the last 40 years and both leaders were centrists ....... so there has been 40 years without significant left wing influence..... which strongly suggests the people who matter, the public, don't want it. If being in power is your measure of rubbish how bad are the left wing?

The most successful period in history for Labour is 13 years in the centre.... that's rubbish?

The other parties may claim to be centrists but they have never had the support of the voters.... and possibly because when they have tasted power via a coalition they screwed it up..... I could point out that their manifestos are drivel but that's immaterial if the voters don't trust you..... as Labour found out recently.

Personally..... if I were a politician..... I would prefer to be rubbish and in power than be as much use as a penis in a sausage factory where everyone knows what you are but won't touch you with a barge poll.

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