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20 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

He never had a chance of becoming PM!  As the general election result has overwhelmingly proven--the UK population is generally very sensible and on the whole, conservative with a small 'c' and will never go for extreme parties whether right wing or left wing--history shows that to be so obviously true.

By chance. I mearly use the context of being the leader of the opposition. Not the reality that the majority of Britons wouldn't vote for him.

You are right about the country being a conservative one. That's why we haven't seen many other parties govern for a long time. Sensible, not so sure on that part. Happy to kick themselves in the testicles over and over again? Maybe. 

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On 15/12/2019 at 11:51, Bycarsbill said:

It seems totally obvious to me........ Corbyn should stay on as leader for the next five years, swing even further left to complete his 'socialist project' that the electorate so clearly liked...job done! 

Meanwhile in the REAL world, I have to say (thankfully) that Corbyn in particular, but also many of his London-centric cronies are clueless about the working class. Purity politics always has, and IMO, always will repel the average voter.  Labour (certainly Corbyn and Jon Lansdown and the  Momentum exponents of student politics as Alan Johnson called them) don't understand that. As a very sensible Labour MP, Caroline Flint put it; "What is the point of the Labour party if we don't respect and represent working class voices? How can Labour ever win them back if it focuses on traitors not converts?" Strong words indeed, but ones that Labour should heed closely  if harbours any hopes of taking back some of the centre ground that it has so carelessly given away during the last two elections under the Corbynistas. After all, it takes a certain amount of blind-sided pig-ignorance to lose as many votes as Corbyn has manged to do!

A Doncaster businessman described the amazing community flood relief effort as "the spirit of Brexit".  In this, He went on; "We're far from the seat of power and can't rely on anyone so we look after ourselves."  As a total contrast to that, Sophie Wilson, the losing Momentum Labour candidate for Rother Valley, when asked how she'd help flood victims, replied (and check this out if you don't believe me) "First we must address climate change."  If anything shows that Momentum just doesn't get-it this damning, emotionless, far from reality and stuff the people statement says it all and shows why Labour has no hope unless it moves more centrist! It has lost EVERY general election for 50 years apart from 3 victories by.........you know who? And Momentum & the Corbynistas can't even mention his name with choking!

"What is the point of Labour" needs to be their new slogan to wake them up.

They ones in charge are currently a bunch of champagne socialists who love the money they are earning but hate the system that allows them to?

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27 minutes ago, Emile said:

By chance. I mearly use the context of being the leader of the opposition. Not the reality that the majority of Britons wouldn't vote for him.

You are right about the country being a conservative one. That's why we haven't seen many other parties govern for a long time. Sensible, not so sure on that part. Happy to kick themselves in the testicles over and over again? Maybe. 

In your last sentence you're sounding very much like the bitter & twisted Labour front benchers who seemingly cannot accept the result of the general election and instead, are now lecturing and telling the voters that they got it wrong!

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2 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

In your last sentence you're sounding very much like the bitter & twisted Labour front benchers who seemingly cannot accept the result of the general election and instead, are now lecturing and telling the voters that they got it wrong!

The point they fail to see is it's the people decision to make, right or wrong, politicians are the servants not the masters.

If Labour wish to carry on down the road they have chosen that's their choice, if the people choose to vote against that Labour has a problem.... not the people they are supposed to serve.

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Happy to say that I think voting Tory is one of the worst decisions this country can make. No lecturing just feel very strongly that they are not fit for government. It continues to amaze me anyone would vote for them. But they do and that's that. 

 

I am not nor ever have been a labour voter. 

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17 minutes ago, Emile said:

Happy to say that I think voting Tory is one of the worst decisions this country can make. No lecturing just feel very strongly that they are not fit for government. It continues to amaze me anyone would vote for them. But they do and that's that. 

 

I am not nor ever have been a labour voter. 

People can only vote for what's put in front of them..... if the choices are between heartburn or a syphilitic lip which would you choose?

I would compare politicians with an std..... both cause problems but one you can get rid of the other you replace.

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5 hours ago, Emile said:

Happy to say that I think voting Tory is one of the worst decisions this country can make. No lecturing just feel very strongly that they are not fit for government. It continues to amaze me anyone would vote for them. But they do and that's that. 

 

I am not nor ever have been a labour voter. 

What a purile, subjective comment! Back up your assertions with some fact for why, and maybe you'll be listened to

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I am listening to him and like that he is saying things that don't sound like every body else just saying the same things. For all your talk of how rubbish Jeremy Corbyn is, nearly one in three of all people that voted voted for him and his policys and without Brexit it could well have been more. You can poo-poo social-ism (and the people who come on here and say positive things about Jeremy Corbyn all you like but the fact is that there is a significant (altho not big enough YET) group of voters who like him and his policys and his party, and change may just be around the corner when my generation has sadly passed away RIP

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42 minutes ago, bobvale said:

I am listening to him and like that he is saying things that don't sound like every body else just saying the same things. For all your talk of how rubbish Jeremy Corbyn is, nearly one in three of all people that voted voted for him and his policys and without Brexit it could well have been more. You can poo-poo social-ism (and the people who come on here and say positive things about Jeremy Corbyn all you like but the fact is that there is a significant (altho not big enough YET) group of voters who like him and his policys and his party, and change may just be around the corner when my generation has sadly passed away RIP

Just because people voted Labour doesn't mean they like Corbyn.  I supported my sitting MP who is anti-Corbyn Labour but I would have been appalled if Corbyn had won.

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There is a fundamental problem. The analysis of why Labour lost starts with Brexit message, the press got us or Labour voters haven't forgiven us for Blair. This is ideology - we are never wrong in our semi communist outlook, we just need to get people to understand our correct view of the world. So this is coming from people who have degrees in politics et al or the Unite Union. But reality is Tony Blair won three elections. Even the sensible ones are saying this because of the Unite Union and the access given to extreme members by Ed Milliband. I think they are possibly doomed whoever they elect and only remain the main opposition because the Liberal campaign was so badly managed.

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5 hours ago, bobvale said:

I am listening to him and like that he is saying things that don't sound like every body else just saying the same things. For all your talk of how rubbish Jeremy Corbyn is, nearly one in three of all people that voted voted for him and his policys and without Brexit it could well have been more. You can poo-poo social-ism (and the people who come on here and say positive things about Jeremy Corbyn all you like but the fact is that there is a significant (altho not big enough YET) group of voters who like him and his policys and his party, and change may just be around the corner when my generation has sadly passed away RIP

If jezza, his followers and momentum are so convinced he/they won the argument why don't they form a new party..... the momentum party?

The simple answer is they wouldn't be able to count on the traditional Labour vote and would die a very rapid death in the vacuum.... I wonder how many elected MPs would follow him? I wonder how many of the MPs who say they support him would stand down and follow him? If they have the massive amount of support they claim it would be a simple process.

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21 hours ago, geosname said:

People can only vote for what's put in front of them..... if the choices are between heartburn or a syphilitic lip which would you choose?

I would compare politicians with an std..... both cause problems but one you can get rid of the other you replace.

Lib.Dem then or perhaps the Green Party?

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20 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Lib.Dem then or perhaps the Green Party?

Greens...... Like having one bad tooth but having all the good teeth extracted so the bad one doesn't look out of place.

Lib dems.... similar to the witch's hat they used to have in the parks.... no particular direction or objective, people get on when they are tired of the swings and get off or are pushed off when something more interesting is available.... Like comparing an abacus to a fully loaded games pc in interest value.

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