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Match Thread: Port Vale v Walsall


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1 hour ago, dantheman said:

I’ve calmed down now. Try not to post after the match in the heat of the moment. Fully agree, I’ve been critical of Joyce and still think he is to slow at times. But boy did we miss him yesterday, clear for everyone to see. Poor showing from vale yesterday but typical vale after such a positive week to kick us in the c@ck!

Reality check again for those getting carried away. We are ticking ove nicely but  are a few players short. 

Ups and downs of watching most teams, 60 years since we topped a league (4th Div) but scraping up moves you up a league just as well. Not essential this season, but better to have hopes than worrying about a drop. Joyce a much better player than last season, one of the cogs or links, missed when not there.

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We do have an issue with breaking teams down when they sit deep.

We've beaten FGR, Bradford, Crewe, Cheltenham, and Plymouth.

We've dropped points against Stevenage, Oldham, Orient, Grimbsy, Macc, Scunthorpe, and Walsall.

When teams sit back and absorb pressure, we seem unable to break them down. We only managed to scrape past Carlisle with a fortuitious sliced clearance.

Something to be worked on. This system is great for going and beating the better sides but we can't beat teams who aim to frustrate.

If Manny can cobble together a hamstring he'll be a big help; one of the few with that genuine vision and technical ability.

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A game in my mind  where if we won I was thinking play offs if we didn't then I wasn't. Couldn't argue with Pope starting after last weeks hat trick. Should changes have been made sooner ? Interesting to reflect on the fact that neither goalie got his gloves dirty, cant remember a chance we missed. Probably because there weren't any, very poor supply of chances to the forward line, would have been the case for whoever led the line.  Shows how much we miss Worrall, every one probably had a 6 performance. We looked a mid table team which we will have to settle for and what most of us would have settled for at the start of this season.

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5 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

A game in my mind  where if we won I was thinking play offs if we didn't then I wasn't. Couldn't argue with Pope starting after last weeks hat trick. Should changes have been made sooner ? Interesting to reflect on the fact that neither goalie got his gloves dirty, cant remember a chance we missed. Probably because there weren't any, very poor supply of chances to the forward line, would have been the case for whoever led the line.  Shows how much we miss Worrall, every one probably had a 6 performance. We looked a mid table team which we will have to settle for and what most of us would have settled for at the start of this season.

I completely agree with the first sentence.

I said to my Dad if we could win yesterday, missing the players we were, then I'd start to think playoffs are realistic.

We didn't win, which is fine. Important to remind ourselves where we were 6 months ago on the pitch.

January could be very important; loaning out of some lads not getting a look (Lloyd, Archer etc), big revenue, the signing of a specialist LB and a forward (with maybe some wing depth on loan), and then a miracle return of Manny. That would set us up for a play off tilt.

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Frustrating loss yesterday but Vale had their chances and didn't convert, the ball ran kindly for Walsall.

From the highlights it was a blatant two handed push on Pope, which the referee had clear sight of, which led to Walsall gaining possession and scoring, their No 5 made no attempt whatsoever to play the ball, win some you lose some.

3 Points off the play-offs after 20 games, I'll take that.  

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8 hours ago, Joe B said:

The squad isn't thin and lacking quality.

That's our 6th defeat all season, still only 3 points from the playoffs, we're in the third round of two cups, and any team losing their two best players would struggle. We've been edged out in a very tight game where they took their chance, and Taylor missed a golden opportunity with a free header from 6 yards in the first half.

We were poor but I'm not going to start casting aspersions on the squad's quality.

 

 

8 hours ago, Joe B said:

 

I said to my Dad if we could win yesterday, missing the players we were, then I'd start to think playoffs are realistic.

January could be very important; loaning out of some lads not getting a look (Lloyd, Archer etc), big revenue, the signing of a specialist LB and a forward (with maybe some wing depth on loan), and then a miracle return of Manny. That would set us up for a play off tilt.

Have you just contradicted yourself ?

Your first post suggests that you have no issues with the squad whilst in your next post you suggest otherwise. 🤔

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8 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

 

Have you just contradicted yourself ?

Your first post suggests that you have no issues with the squad whilst in your next post you suggest otherwise. 🤔

Saying there are places to improve is nowhere near the same as saying we have a thin squad that lacks quality. It isn't binary. At no point do I say I have no issues.

There is a middle ground; we can improve the squad but we also have a lot of quality players and some very reasonable footballers (Cullen, Atkinson, Burgess) who don't consistently make the first 11. Imo we have a top half squad which is 2 players short of being top 7.

Every squad in the country have areas for improvement, and we are no different.

 

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Just because the ref gave a goal kick doesn't mean that the keeper didn't touch it, he missed a deflection of a defender in the first half which I thought should have been a corner to us. 
With respect - you were challenging the stats of the game and the BBC are hardly going to count it as a shot on target if the game restarted with a goal-kick. Furthermore, none of our players challenged the decision - usually a pretty good indicator.
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The biggest dissapointment for me was that it was clear quite early on that Pope was getting little change out of their centre-backs in the air but the more success they had in defending that approach the more we did it. We rarely tried anything different which simply played into their hands.

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59 minutes ago, Valist said:

The biggest dissapointment for me was that it was clear quite early on that Pope was getting little change out of their centre-backs in the air but the more success they had in defending that approach the more we did it. We rarely tried anything different which simply played into their hands.

They had the upper hand against Popey for two reasons . First of all playing him up front on his own with no support from a none functioning midfield or the so called wingers. Secondly and just as importantly the referee allowed every dirty trick in the book to stop Tom.He was constantly having his shirt pulled and getting bashed into by giant oafs with the sole intention of stopping Popey from getting to the ball by any foul method.

 If I was John Askey I would send some of these unpunished incidents to whoever 'controls' and selects the morons that we keep getting to referee our games. I would also ask if there are a separate set of rules regarding Tom Pope. I have said it before Tom is no angel and if he commits a foul then give it but for goodness sake he deserves the same protection as any other player. 

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if Legge was shirt pulling and bullying an opposing forward nobody would be moaning ,in fact they would be demanding he be MOTM.Tom was dominated by ONE centre half.We went back to Popeball and failed miserably.People need to realise its a team game and doesn’t revolve around one player.No shots or headers that their goalie needed to save.Bennett back in next match from the start?

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1 hour ago, Valist said:
On 07/12/2019 at 20:55, Rampant Zebra said:
Just because the ref gave a goal kick doesn't mean that the keeper didn't touch it, he missed a deflection of a defender in the first half which I thought should have been a corner to us. 

With respect - you were challenging the stats of the game and the BBC are hardly going to count it as a shot on target if the game restarted with a goal-kick. Furthermore, none of our players challenged the decision - usually a pretty good indicator.

With respect, from where I was sitting in the right hand corner of the Bycars it looked like the keeper tipped it over the bar in real time, I haven't seen any replays. I only made the comment because we had a shot into the crowded area at the far end which seemed to deflect off someone in white shorts but was given as a goal kick. 

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1 minute ago, Howjy04 said:

if Legge was shirt pulling and bullying an opposing forward nobody would be moaning ,in fact they would be demanding he be MOTM.Tom was dominated by ONE centre half.We went back to Popeball and failed miserably.People need to realise its a team game and doesn’t revolve around one player.No shots or headers that their goalie needed to save.Bennett back in next match from the start?

What do you feel Bennett did against Walsall to merit a return? Did he actually touch the ball when he came on?

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2 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

What do you feel Bennett did against Walsall to merit a return? Did he actually touch the ball when he came on?

So you think we should play the same, no movement up front, team next week?I obviously watch a different game to some people.I brought a Walsall fan friend to the game on Saturday.He asked me about Popey and was worried Walsall would get a pasting.He phoned me yesterday.He left me with” Has Pope come out of the centre half’s pocket yet?”.

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