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I remember the stick Tankard got when he first played at Vale. I think some people were miffed because he had been the replacement for the popular Sulley at LB. Tanks was clearly a young player with talent on the ball, he just lacked confidence. He hadn't found it easy to settle....people forget that these are young men, away from family and familiar things, and they can find it hard. Anyway, he was getting uncalled for abuse at times and his confidence went down. Every time he got the ball he was nervous and would make mistakes he wouldn't otherwise make. It was as if the boo-boys liked that because it somehow proved them right! It is a spiral fans can get into if they are not careful....wanting their own player to do badly just to prove a point. Of course, away from home Tanks was always much more confident....but I daresay the boo-boys weren't there. 

I remember even Seth Bothomley added fuel as well. They seemed to prefer Stokes in that position ...because Stokes was more bustling and got tackles in more. (And thus ended up over-committed and on the ground while play went on around him) In the end a couple of people felt so strongly about it they wrote to the Sentinel page saying how uncalled and counter-productive this abuse was. Not long after Tanks got the last-minute winner against Huddersfield right smack in front of the Bycars (which was full in those days). Cracking volley it was too. It was amusing to see how swiftly people changed their tune and started singing his name. lol 

He ended up a firm favourite at Vale, or course. And a lot of fans are probably oblivious to the fact it could have turned out very differently and we would have lost out on a good player for us.

We often forget that some players take a while to overcome nerves. Booing doesn't help of course! The manager may simply be hoping that the player he sees in training suddenly clicks and is able to show his true ability on matchdays.

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5 hours ago, Barrierleaner said:

I remember the stick Tankard got when he first played at Vale. I think some people were miffed because he had been the replacement for the popular Sulley at LB. Tanks was clearly a young player with talent on the ball, he just lacked confidence. He hadn't found it easy to settle....people forget that these are young men, away from family and familiar things, and they can find it hard. Anyway, he was getting uncalled for abuse at times and his confidence went down. Every time he got the ball he was nervous and would make mistakes he wouldn't otherwise make. It was as if the boo-boys liked that because it somehow proved them right! It is a spiral fans can get into if they are not careful....wanting their own player to do badly just to prove a point. Of course, away from home Tanks was always much more confident....but I daresay the boo-boys weren't there. 

I remember even Seth Bothomley added fuel as well. They seemed to prefer Stokes in that position ...because Stokes was more bustling and got tackles in more. (And thus ended up over-committed and on the ground while play went on around him) In the end a couple of people felt so strongly about it they wrote to the Sentinel page saying how uncalled and counter-productive this abuse was. Not long after Tanks got the last-minute winner against Huddersfield right smack in front of the Bycars (which was full in those days). Cracking volley it was too. It was amusing to see how swiftly people changed their tune and started singing his name. lol 

He ended up a firm favourite at Vale, or course. And a lot of fans are probably oblivious to the fact it could have turned out very differently and we would have lost out on a good player for us.

We often forget that some players take a while to overcome nerves. Booing doesn't help of course! The manager may simply be hoping that the player he sees in training suddenly clicks and is able to show his true ability on matchdays.

Good post. Walker was dreadful for about 13 or 14 games after signing permanently (although had been ok on loan the season before) and was getting barracked. It all clicked in a night game when he played a blinder and the rest was history. There was a group of fans in the The Paddock on the halfway line  who gave Foyle stick when he first signed, despite him having scored twice in his first game; mainly because he cost a lot of money, wasn't 6 foot 2 or lightening quick. 

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On 04/12/2019 at 17:45, Erniemossrules said:

Well have to agree to disagree then because I still think he was a poor signing and wasted the budget.

Are you sure it’s the supporters who had bugger all between their ears booing  him or maybe they were showing the rest of you what a waste of money he has been.

Its not a waste of your money. Askey feels as though there is something there and all clubs have squad players that don't quite cut the mustard. If we continue to progress as we are he could play you in midfield and anybody in Arthur's team is OK by me.

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7 hours ago, ollyandpatch said:

Its not a waste of your money. Askey feels as though there is something there and all clubs have squad players that don't quite cut the mustard. If we continue to progress as we are he could play you in midfield and anybody in Arthur's team is OK by me.

I was hoping Alex Hurst would be back to avoid that.

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12 hours ago, JRC said:

Good post. Walker was dreadful for about 13 or 14 games after signing permanently (although had been ok on loan the season before) and was getting barracked. It all clicked in a night game when he played a blinder and the rest was history. There was a group of fans in the The Paddock on the halfway line  who gave Foyle stick when he first signed, despite him having scored twice in his first game; mainly because he cost a lot of money, wasn't 6 foot 2 or lightening quick. 

The moral of that story is Vale fans have a history of slagging any player off no matter how good they are. It’s evident even now. Overall  are looking up at the moment, but I take comments like these about Jake Taylor and all the gushing comments about the new owners (who so far are doing a good job) with a pinch of salt, because when things start to go wrong it won’t take some of fans too long to turn. 

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I don't think its Vale fans in particular. Its human nature....especially when people are in a group. (we only have to see social media to witness that kind of ganging up mentality.) It is a behaviour that has evolved I suppose....I don't think many of us have escaped either being drawn into a group of playground bullies, often it was a way of avoiding being their next target. I suppose some of us are better at fighting this impulse than others...but it is sadly true that it will never stop. A pro footballer just has to rise above it. It is a necessary skill of the job to be able to perform under pressure, where ever it comes from. Some players take longer to either have the lucky break that wins hearts and minds, or develop a thicker skin that lets them shrug it off. Being a successful sportsman is every bit as much about mental strength and attitude. Some really skillful players with great technical ability never make it simply becaise they lack the right mind-set. By and large the most successful people in any sport thrive on this kind of stick.

Of course, as Vale fans its a good idea not to do the oppositions work for them and to ramp down the heckling especially with youngsters. You either trust the manager or you don't. The player doesn't pick himself and its disrespectful to the manager and his judgement if supporters don't...um...support his team selection.

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