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General Erection - 12th December 2019


mr.hobblesworth

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8 hours ago, geosname said:

Labour's new plan will give a higher profile to shadow cabinet members who back a Leave deal rather than Remain.

There will also be a tour of Leave areas by the party chairman Ian Lavery, who ideally would rather leave the EU with a deal than remain.

Looks like the penny has actually dropped with Labour and they are now realising that their opaque, fence-sitting and tail-twisting policy as far as Brexit is concerned is now causing them big problems in leave voting labour constituencies.  A bit late in the day perhaps?

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23 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Looks like the penny has actually dropped with Labour and they are now realising that their opaque, fence-sitting and tail-twisting policy as far as Brexit is concerned is now causing them big problems in leave voting labour constituencies.  A bit late in the day perhaps?

Yes but only muppets who see Brexit as their main key for voting would vote for Labour as Corbyns plans for a deal will not give any pro-Brexit supporter what they voted for. 

If Brexit is the main driver for voting then it is a choice between Liberal if you want to stay in or Conservative if you want to leave. Labour is not an option.

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29 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Looks like the penny has actually dropped with Labour and they are now realising that their opaque, fence-sitting and tail-twisting policy as far as Brexit is concerned is now causing them big problems in leave voting labour constituencies.  A bit late in the day perhaps?

It's win at any cost politics..... the first casualty is truth

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11 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Please could you point out, let's say three, of JC'S "plots, lies and intimidation"? Bet you can't. As I recall, the most damning thing in that book was the revelation that Corbyn ate own-brand beans from the can, whereas the site I linked to has evidence of so many of BJ's lies (from a right-wing journalist too). 

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Neither the Conservatives nor Labour are offering "credible" spending plans ahead of the general election, an influential research group has said.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said it was "highly likely" the Tories would end up spending more than their manifesto pledges.

Labour, it warned, would be unable to deliver its spending increases as it has promised.

Neither party was being "honest" with voters, IFS director Paul Johnson said.

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9 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Yes but only muppets who see Brexit as their main key for voting would vote for Labour as Corbyns plans for a deal will not give any pro-Brexit supporter what they voted for. 

If Brexit is the main driver for voting then it is a choice between Liberal if you want to stay in or Conservative if you want to leave. Labour is not an option.

What about the leavers who wanted a Norway style deal, or to remain in the customs Union, or to have a soft Brexit, or to actually have a say on the final deal or those that want to remain but would like to have that decision voted upon by the public? 

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11 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

What about the leavers who wanted a Norway style deal, or to remain in the customs Union, or to have a soft Brexit, or to actually have a say on the final deal or those that want to remain but would like to have that decision voted upon by the public? 

Ok, I’ll give you the 2% of leavers who wanted just that.

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12 minutes ago, geosname said:

Neither the Conservatives nor Labour are offering "credible" spending plans ahead of the general election, an influential research group has said.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said it was "highly likely" the Tories would end up spending more than their manifesto pledges.

Labour, it warned, would be unable to deliver its spending increases as it has promised.

Neither party was being "honest" with voters, IFS director Paul Johnson said.

Well, there’s a surprise. 

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1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

Amazing how Mr. H and others miss the most fundamental issue and that is the economy. Labour's 'wish list' manifesto is just a complete fantasy and thank goodness the public generally (unlike Mr. H & Co) has managed to see through the spin of fantasy and illiterate economics.  The IFS has again reiterated today that Labour's arithmetic and costings just don't add up. Under Labour, all the social problems that Mr. H thinks Corbyn is going to solve would, under the pressure of economic reality just not be possible and the very people who Mr. H professes to worry about would be in an even worse position

Yet again, your biased comments colour your every post.

I notice that the IFS has also heavily criticised the Tories as well but for some strange reason you haven't mentioned that. Why was that? Just an oversight I'm sure.

You also fail to mention the damage that Brexit will do to our economy.

The head of the IFS said he could think of no benefits of Brexit to the economy, that it had already cost the UK nearly £70 billion in lost revenue, and any type of deal would be much worse than remaining. A No Deal Brexit in particular would prolong austerity and torpedo the economy for years to come.

What about that?

Just trying to be helpful.

 

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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Amazing how Mr. H and others miss the most fundamental issue and that is the economy. 

Exactly. Which begs the question why on earth we are leaving the EU when even people like Rees Mogg are saying it will adversely affect the economy. 

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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Amazing how Mr. H and others miss the most fundamental issue and that is the economy. Labour's 'wish list' manifesto is just a complete fantasy and thank goodness the public generally (unlike Mr. H & Co) has managed to see through the spin of fantasy and illiterate economics.  The IFS has again reiterated today that Labour's arithmetic and costings just don't add up. Under Labour, all the social problems that Mr. H thinks Corbyn is going to solve would, under the pressure of economic reality just not be possible and the very people who Mr. H professes to worry about would be in an even worse position.

The latest opinion polls showing an overall majority of around 60plus for the Conservatives proves that the public at large are not as gullible as Mr. H and friends! Thank goodness that Corby & McDonnell aren't going to be given the opportunity to bankcrupt the country! However unloved Boris Johnson is with a minus 6 trust rating, Jeremy Corbyn's is -69 in the same poll!!!

I do share your concerns on the spending plans of Corbyns loony left. 

On the other hand the IFS has stated that the most damaging to the economy, would be to leave the EU with a No Deal. And make no mistake this Is where Billy Liar will take us, to negotiate a deal with the EU in 6 weeks is impossible, and the Tories know that, but it appeases Mogg and his Right Wing ERG cronies.

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2 hours ago, geosname said:

Neither the Conservatives nor Labour are offering "credible" spending plans ahead of the general election, an influential research group has said.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said it was "highly likely" the Tories would end up spending more than their manifesto pledges.

Labour, it warned, would be unable to deliver its spending increases as it has promised.

Neither party was being "honest" with voters, IFS director Paul Johnson said.

Neither party was being "honest" with voters, IFS director Paul Johnson said............

What a shock........

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https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-forces-callers-u-turn-anti-semitism/
I don't particularly fond of JO'B but I think he does a good job here. Kind of feel sorry for the caller too as she seems to have just swallowed a load of lies spread by those with a vested interest.
I agree, O'B does well here, and I do rather like his work.

Yes, the caller has swallowed a lot of lies and misinformation, from a number of sources. I'm genuinely interested to know what you think the 'vested interests' are?

I'm puzzled as to the motivation of Smeeth, Hodge and others who make such an issue of antisemitism in the Labour Party. There will undoubtedly be some in the PLP, but you can rest assured there are people throughout society who share those views.

From all that I've heard from Corbyn, he does not seem an antisemite, and to call him that because he is appalled at the way Palestinians have been treated, and stands up for their rights, is totally wrong.
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