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General Erection - 12th December 2019


mr.hobblesworth

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I can't believe there are people on here who seriously think Johnson is honest, doesn't tell lies and is a man of his word. The NHS is not safe in Tory hands.

He lied about the red bus, he lied about the 70 million Turks, he lied about Jennifer Arcuri, he lied about the 50,000 nurses, he lied about EU laws, he lied about not shutting down Parliament, he lied about not putting a border down the Irish Sea. Do I need to go on?

And yet several on here still believe him! You need to give your heads a wobble because something isn't as tight as it should be.

Why on earth do you think prominent one nation Tories like Major, Heseltine, Stewart, Grieve, and the rest, have come out vehemently against him?

The old Tory Party is dead. Johnson leads a hard right, nasty, self serving cabal who are quite prepared to break the law, lie at every opportunity, avoid interviews and peddle fairy stories - anything to get their hands on power, push for a No Deal Brexit, deregulate the economy, and trash environmental and health standards. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Precisely!  Of course it is and to anyone with a brain it's just the opening gambits in the long and complicated negotaition procedure to come. So many conspiracy theorists on here!

I do have a brain thank you and one that is able to critically assess what I read and sift myth from reality, facts from propaganda. I told you why the NHS was only mentioned x4. It was a request by the UK side so that people didn't raise concern as they knew it was highly controversial. But they had 6 meetings across two years and nowhere in those documents does it say that the NHS is not for sale. If not, why not state that at the outset two years ago as the US side did with climate change? Why was the documentation kept secret? Just like the Russian report. Why were Johnson and Hannan prime movers at the IFT, discussing these things with US officials? It's completely naive to think that we won't have to give ground if we are desperate for a trade deal with the US, as we will be if we crash out of the EU. The US will hold all the cards. It's cloud cuckoo land to believe otherwise.

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15 minutes ago, TheSage said:

I can't believe there are people on here who seriously think Johnson is honest, doesn't tell lies and is a man of his word. The NHS is not safe in Tory hands.

He lied about the red bus, he lied about the 70 million Turks, he lied about Jennifer Arcuri, he lied about the 50,000 nurses, he lied about EU laws, he lied about not shutting down Parliament, he lied about not putting a border down the Irish Sea. Do I need to go on?

And yet several on here still believe him! You need to give your heads a wobble because something isn't as tight as it should be.

Why on earth do you think prominent one nation Tories like Major, Heseltine, Stewart, Grieve, and the rest, have come out vehemently against him?

The old Tory Party is dead. Johnson leads a hard right, nasty, self serving cabal who are quite prepared to break the law, lie at every opportunity, avoid interviews and peddle fairy stories - anything to get their hands on power, push for a No Deal Brexit, deregulate the economy, and trash environmental and health standards. 

 

 

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

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Does anyone believe that Boris Johnson gives a flying <ovf censored> what happens to the poor, the vulnerable, the environment? It's all just a game to him. He's not passionate about this country, he just sees being PM as the right of people like him. Do you think he cares when he hears about the homeless dying, or people losing their jobs, communities knackered, because of his game-playing Brexit manoeuvres? Do you think the likes of JRM feels any sadness when he hears of disabled people killing themselves due to his party's cruel and vindictive policies? Does Dominic Raab feel anything when he hears that schools can't afford Pritt sticks and pencils? Do they <ovf censored>. We can't carry on as a country with these lying heartless scum in power.

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8 minutes ago, TheSage said:

I do have a brain thank you and one that is able to critically assess what I read and sift myth from reality, facts from propaganda. I told you why the NHS was only mentioned x4. It was a request by the UK side so that people didn't raise concern as they knew it was highly controversial. But they had 6 meetings across two years and nowhere in those documents does it say that the NHS is not for sale. If not, why not state that at the outset two years ago as the US side did with climate change? Why was the documentation kept secret? Just like the Russian report. Why were Johnson and Hannan prime movers at the IFT, discussing these things with US officials? It's completely naive to think that we won't have to give ground if we are desperate for a trade deal with the US, as we will be if we crash out of the EU. The US will hold all the cards. It's cloud cuckoo land to believe otherwise.

I am NOT disagreeing with you.  I was in fact endorsing your post! Unfortunately it's all these "NHS for sale" claim lines that are being peddled that don't reflect the reality that it is all about NEGOTIATION and that starts with 2 sides quite  a distance apart and eventually leads to agreeemnt from both parties with both sides giving ground--but whatever the final outcome, it's gong to be a long way from the "NHS being sold".  Of course that narrative serves Labour well, but is again wide of the reality.

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3 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Yes I was and Regal Begal cried like a hungry baby over it, now he is using the very same analogy.  Just more hypocritical nonsense just like when he claims not to be racist but has openly been racist about Diane Abbott and argued that telling a racist joke does not make the person racist.

It's the same hypocrisy that runs through every Johnson supporter who has criticised Corbyn for alledged anti semitism.  It seems that alot of you think it's ok to say racist things about Muslims but it's not ok to criticise Israel's actions towards Palestinians.

It's not racist to defend muslim women's right to wear religious clothing. 

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3 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Yes I was and Regal Begal cried like a hungry baby over it, now he is using the very same analogy.  Just more hypocritical nonsense just like when he claims not to be racist but has openly been racist about Diane Abbott and argued that telling a racist joke does not make the person racist.

It's the same hypocrisy that runs through every Johnson supporter who has criticised Corbyn for alledged anti semitism.  It seems that alot of you think it's ok to say racist things about Muslims but it's not ok to criticise Israel's actions towards Palestinians.

Again, lies from start to finish.

 

Please post any evidence you have of my open racism and I will surely and rightfully banned from this website.

You cant, because it doesn't exist.

You are a despicable liar.

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3 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

What lies?

You even argued that telling a racist joke is not racist.  You are a horrible human.

Every word you type. 

You have even lied in the very next line after your question.

I never said that. You've changed what I did say because you know very well that what I said was legitimate.

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3 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

I think we're getting (intentionally?) waylaid by the lies etc of the likes of RB and Bill. The fact is that in less than two weeks we have to make a fundamental decision about the kind of country we want live in. Labour has presented a vision, one that promises a green industrial revolution, addresses the horrifying poverty and homelessness in our communities, attempts to bring the country back together by giving the people the final say on Brexit and protects our NHS. The alternative, for me, is genuinely terrifying. 

You've missed out the antisemitism from this post. 

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

You've missed out the antisemitism from this post. 

Amazing how Mr. H and others miss the most fundamental issue and that is the economy. Labour's 'wish list' manifesto is just a complete fantasy and thank goodness the public generally (unlike Mr. H & Co) has managed to see through the spin of fantasy and illiterate economics.  The IFS has again reiterated today that Labour's arithmetic and costings just don't add up. Under Labour, all the social problems that Mr. H thinks Corbyn is going to solve would, under the pressure of economic reality just not be possible and the very people who Mr. H professes to worry about would be in an even worse position.

The latest opinion polls showing an overall majority of around 60plus for the Conservatives proves that the public at large are not as gullible as Mr. H and friends! Thank goodness that Corby & McDonnell aren't going to be given the opportunity to bankcrupt the country! However unloved Boris Johnson is with a minus 6 trust rating, Jeremy Corbyn's is -69 in the same poll!!!

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