General Erection - 12th December 2019

[Fosse69]

16 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Get a grip sage. 

I didn't bring 1930s, ginger did. The nazis have been bought up countless times, I'm almost certain you yourself has done it.

Poor form from you there. 

 

I've actually been called a nazi many times on here. That is disgusting and I've reported multiple posts which have not resulted in bans or even deleted posts in some cases. 

 

I honestly find it pathetic and disgusting that you are offended by me calling out the labour party in the face of overwhelming evidence.

 

No morals, no standards, massive hypocrisy on the left. 

 

 

BBC tonight, take your evidence to the Labour Party. Where is this overwhelming evidence? Just a smear campaign. Anti-semitism has been around for 100s of years spread everywhere.

[tommytunstall]

11 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

I generally agree with the school of thought that says that both sides feel the BBC is biased against them so that generally points to them being fair. BUT, I do think that the fact that most of the people overseeing BBC News output have worked for the tories is relevant. I also think it's bizarre that they have already edited footage of Johnson twice to make it more favourable towards him and, if Labour are to believed, the fact that they lied to the opposition is alarming. I'd also like to see how many tweets Laura Kuenssberg makes that are critical of Labour compared to the tories. Yesterday she seemed to be ranking racism, stating that anti-semitism was of a different order to Islamophobia and I think the BBC's coverage of the anti-semitism stuff wouldn't have looked much different if it was directed by Conservative HQ or the Jewish Chronicle. No or little coverage given to other, pro-Labour Jewish groups, no discussion of whether there is an ulterior motive for the slurs, and very little (in comparison) on the tories' Islamophobia. I guess the BBC are part of the establishment, the people who work their are generally educated and live in the same places so it's understandable there's some kind of hive-mind inplace. I also readily admit that I'm biased and even with the best will in the world it's difficult to look at these things impartially. It's a bit like showing fans of two opposing teams footage of the same tackle.

Simple question. Why will he not apologise to the Jewish people. He has overseen the total inaction against Labour members who have abused his own Jewish Labour MPs.  As a lifelong Labour supporter Corbyn appals me I do know many Labour members who have resigned because of his own lack of leadership. Is the reason 1, He can't make a decision. 2, He does not want to upset Hamas and other Palestinian backers.

It is extremely disappointing that because of his leadership, Billy Liar will beat him hands down next month.

[Regal Beagle]

8 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

BBC tonight, take your evidence to the Labour Party. Where is this overwhelming evidence? Just a smear campaign. Anti-semitism has been around for 100s of years spread everywhere.

-Only other party to the BNP to be officially investigated for institutional racism. A charge bought by Labour members following the accounts of many whitleblowers and witnesses. The dossier submitted inlcudes 1,000 fully vetted examples of anti-semitic behaviour in the labour party along with over 15,000 social media posts from labour members. The investigation is on going.

-The dispatches documentary with many first hand stories of people who claimed to have been close to suicide as a result of the stress caused to them. These were people who were supposed to be punishing anti-semtisim, in fact their hands were tied behind their backs by senior labour figures.

-Jeremy Corbyn has a long and established history of sharing platforms with the worlds most prominent anti-semitic writers.

-Diane Abbott launches a report alongside a labour member who had previously been suspended for anti-semitism and is known to have ran 6 websites which could be said to be anti-semitic.

-Corbyn failed to condemn a clearly anti-semtic mural

-Ken Livingston

-Ken Loach

-Richard Burgon "Zionism is the enemy of peace" - He lied when asked about this, claiming that there was no footage. There is footage now, it's readily available.

-Dan Carden likes to sing "Hey Jews" instead of hey jude.

-Ruth George believes that 7 former labour MPs who left the party over anti-semitism were funded by Israel.

-Naz Shah - Already covered

-Emma Dent Coad - Once called a BAME tory MP a "token ghetto boy" and has commented that Jews are disgraced by Israel

-Ali Milani, standing against Boris this year, thinks it's funny to make #Jew jokes on twitter.

-Pamela Fitzpatrick thinks that Ruth Smeath made up her concerns in an effort to smear Corbyn.

-Abby King stepped down after posts were found in which she jokingly called her friend a "fookin ethiopian jew"

 

 

Let me know if you want any more, there's loads.

 

[TheSage]

You might well be right TT but for me Johnson is a worse leader than Corbyn and it's hard to understand why he doesn't get more criticism.

The best hope for the opposition is for a hung Parliament but now the Brexit Party have largely given the Tories a free hit it's making it an uphill battle.

The Lib Dems and Labour needed to do the same and put aside their differences but they won't and haven't, so the Remain/People's vote side is split.

I hope people know what they are doing.

I'm firmly in the Major, Blair, Heseltine, Grieve camp and worry greatly about us ending up with a No Deal Brexit and beginning the break up of the UK. But people will end up with what they vote for and will have to live with the consequences. 

 

 

 

[Regal Beagle]

43 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Get a grip sage. 

I didn't bring 1930s, ginger did. The nazis have been bought up countless times, I'm almost certain you yourself has done it.

Poor form from you there. 

 

I've actually been called a nazi many times on here. That is disgusting and I've reported multiple posts which have not resulted in bans or even deleted posts in some cases. 

 

I honestly find it pathetic and disgusting that you are offended by me calling out the labour party in the face of overwhelming evidence.

 

No morals, no standards, massive hypocrisy on the left.

Here's a post from July this year when TheSage thought the direct opposite to how he SUPPOSEDLY feels now -

It was fine when he was likening a JEWISH MP to 1930's Nazi Germany.

 

Yet he thinks I crossed a line when compare anti-semitism with anti-semitism in the 1930s.

 

Explain yourself Sage.

 

[Fosse69]

1 minute ago, Regal Beagle said:

-Only other party to the BNP to be officially investigated for institutional racism. A charge bought by Labour members following the accounts of many whitleblowers and witnesses. The dossier submitted inlcudes 1,000 fully vetted examples of anti-semitic behaviour in the labour party along with over 15,000 social media posts from labour members. The investigation is on going.

-The dispatches documentary with many first hand stories of people who claimed to have been close to suicide as a result of the stress caused to them. These were people who were supposed to be punishing anti-semtisim, in fact their hands were tied behind their backs by senior labour figures.

-Jeremy Corbyn has a long and established history of sharing platforms with the worlds most prominent anti-semitic writers.

-Diane Abbott launches a report alongside a labour member who had previously been suspended for anti-semitism and is known to have ran 6 websites which could be said to be anti-semitic.

-Corbyn failed to condemn a clearly anti-semtic mural

-Ken Livingston

-Ken Loach

-Richard Burgon "Zionism is the enemy of peace" - He lied when asked about this, claiming that there was no footage. There is footage now, it's readily available.

-Dan Carden likes to sing "Hey Jews" instead of hey jude.

-Ruth George believes that 7 former labour MPs who left the party over anti-semitism were funded by Israel.

-Naz Shah - Already covered

-Emma Dent Coad - Once called a BAME tory MP a "token ghetto boy" and has commented that Jews are disgraced by Israel

-Ali Milani, standing against Boris this year, thinks it's funny to make #Jew jokes on twitter.

-Pamela Fitzpatrick thinks that Ruth Smeath made up her concerns in an effort to smear Corbyn.

-Abby King stepped down after posts were found in which she jokingly called her friend a "fookin ethiopian jew"

 

 

Let me know if you want any more, there's loads.

 

Current ones not ones already dealt with. don't confuse Jews and the Israeli state.

[Regal Beagle]

1 minute ago, TheSage said:

But people will end up with what they vote for and will have to live with the consequences. 

🤣

 

 

The absolute front on this guy.

 

Actually thretening us with DEMOCRACY now 🤣

 

We've been begging to end up with what we voted for, for 3 years.

[mr.hobblesworth]

2 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

Simple question. Why will he not apologise to the Jewish people. He has overseen the total inaction against Labour members who have abused his own Jewish Labour MPs.  As a lifelong Labour supporter Corbyn appals me I do know many Labour members who have resigned because of his own lack of leadership. Is the reason 1, He can't make a decision. 2, He does not want to upset Hamas and other Palestinian backers.

It is extremely disappointing that because of his leadership, Billy Liar will beat him hands down next month.

Well, it's not a simple question but I'll do my best. I guess he didn't apologise because he already has done on several occasions. I also think he possibly feels that apologising may be seen as admitting anti-semitism when he isn't anti-semitic. Many many Jewish people stand with Corbyn and Labour and there are lots of letters from rabbis and Jewish organisations to back this up. Whilst I admittedly generally follow pro-Corbyn twitter accounts, my feed over the last couple of days has been fled with Jewish people tweeting in suport of Corbyn and denouncing the tories in the Jewish establishment (chief rabbie bloke, Stephen Pollard of the Jewish Chronicle) for daring to speak on their behalf. I also think that Corbyn apologising wouldn't have changed anything; the people making these accusations aren't interested in Corbyn's "anti-semitism", they're interested in preventing a Socialist entering number 10.

You talk of lack of leadership but under Corbyn, complaints of anti-semitism are now being treated 4 times more quickly. People were complaining Labour was anti-semitic since way before Corbyn, including (bizarrely) under Ed Miliband. Take a look at this...

Here are examples of occasions on which Corbyn has condemned anti-semitism

I do understand frustrations with the lack of an apology - Corbyn can be bloody stubborn sometimes - but I believe it's important to take a wider view of what's at stake at this election. The NHS, the environment, workers rights, public services are all at such significant risk under a Johnson majority and under the current electoral system you've got pretty much a binary choice.US or the tories.

 

[Fosse69]

4 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Here's a post from July this year when TheSage thought the direct opposite to how he SUPPOSEDLY feels now -

It was fine when he was likening a JEWISH MP to 1930's Nazi Germany.

 

Yet he thinks I crossed a line when compare anti-semitism with anti-semitism in the 1930s.

 

Explain yourself Sage.

 

Sage was comparing an action, irrelevant who was doing it.

[Regal Beagle]

2 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Current ones not ones already dealt with. don't confuse Jews and the Israeli state.

Anti-semites confuse Jews with Isreali state though. That's an accusation which is part of the institutional racism investigation that they're currently under.

 

And you can't dismiss those examples as "dealt with" as this is another huge part of the accusations. their lack of action.

 

How about Lesley Perrin, referenced by Neil the other night? She shared a holocaust denial video online which doubted the number of Jews who were murdered for their faith. Her punishment was a warning, reminding her of the code of conduct, which would stay on her record for 12 months.

 

 

[TheSage]

RB. Give it a rest.

That isn't evidence that Labour is just like Hitler and the Nazis. Do you know anything at all about the Holocaust?

My comment was about shutting down Parliament and closing debate in order to get your own way. It is what the Nazis did and it is what Johnson tried to do but was found to be breaking the law. I was talking about a course of action and in no way is it comparable to the appalling rubbish you are posting about comparing Labour to the Holocaust.

For the umpteenth time, there was not a majority of voters who voted for Johnson's deal and a border in the Irish Sea. 

Stop re-writing history, get off your high horse and don't post about things you know nothing about.

 

 

[Regal Beagle]

1 minute ago, TheSage said:

RB. Give it a rest.

That isn't evidence that Labour is just like Hitler and the Nazis. Do you know anything at all about the Holocaust?

My comment was about shutting down Parliament and closing debate in order to get your own way. It is what the Nazis did and it is what Johnson tried to do but was found to be breaking the law. I was talking about a course of action and in no way is it comparable to the appalling rubbish you are posting about comparing Labour to the Holocaust.

For the umpteenth time, there was not a majority of voters who voted for Johnson's deal and a border in the Irish Sea. 

Stop re-writing history, get off your high horse and don't post about things you know nothing about.

 

 

Disgusting post again Sage.

 

Please feel free to educate me as to how anti-semitism is not relevant to the Nazis and I'll gladly withdraw my legitimate comment.

 

High horse? Pathetically hypocritical again.

[TheSage]

4 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Anti-semites confuse Jews with Isreali state though. That's an accusation which is part of the institutional racism investigation that they're currently under.

 

And you can't dismiss those examples as "dealt with" as this is another huge part of the accusations. their lack of action.

 

How about Lesley Perrin, referenced by Neil the other night? She shared a holocaust denial video online which doubted the number of Jews who were murdered for their faith. Her punishment was a warning, reminding her of the code of conduct, which would stay on her record for 12 months.

 

 

The more you post the sillier you look.

A few anecdotes do not compare with Hitler and the Holocaust.

I should not be humouring you. The subject matter is too serious for you and your silly games.

I'll let others make up their own minds about the voracity of what you post.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Has Dominic Cummings resigned?

[ginge]

4 hours ago, tommytunstall said:

Simple question. Why will he not apologise to the Jewish people.