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General Erection - 12th December 2019

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13 hours ago, Mario said:

I have often wondered what would happen if an outside agency bought into the NHS and you could see a vast improvement, would patients complain then ?

Or should we just cock a snook and soldier on ?

When private business invests in something they want a significant return on there money.  If you go take a look at the ex council care homes around the area and tell me if people are better looked after now than they were before they were sold off.  

So yes, we should cock a snook as you flipantly put it.  We should run a mile from private investment in the NHS.

None of these things should be for profit but profit is the only thing Tories are interested in, even at the cost of the countries most vulnerable. 

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

When private business invests in something they want a significant return on there money.  If you go take a look at the ex council care homes around the area and tell me if people are better looked after now than they were before they were sold off.  

So yes, we should cock a snook as you flipantly put it.  We should run a mile from private investment in the NHS.

None of these things should be for profit but profit is the only thing Tories are interested in, even at the cost of the countries most vulnerable. 

Everyone is interested in profit, the proceeds of profit make the world go around. How would any government implement anything if it wasn't for the taxes on profit. Whether it's big corporations,  small businesses or the profit ordinary working people get from trading their Labour for salary.

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Doesn’t matter if they make a large profit if they help the NHS and start funding what is a bottomless pit.

keep on as is and it won’t change, any Government need to come up with new ideas, just to keep throwing money at it won’t work and eventually the money will dry up.

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48 minutes ago, geosname said:

Everyone is interested in profit, the proceeds of profit make the world go around. How would any government implement anything if it wasn't for the taxes on profit. Whether it's big corporations,  small businesses or the profit ordinary working people get from trading their Labour for salary.

Well said--it's also profits that go towards the investments that make Nofinkea's and most others' pension funds!

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21 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

So why mention Corbyn's academic record? 

I'm genuinely interested (not saying that in any sneery way) in what Corbyn could have done to improve Labour's chances in Stoke. I think Central is tipped to remain Labour and I'd be unsurprised (although mighty relieved) if we get the other two too but, regardless, it's the Brexit vote that's making things difficult, isn't it? So, apart from positioning Labour as a pro-leave party, what could Jeremy Corbyn have done to improve the party's standing in Stoke?

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Another trite response although at least Jacko had originality on her side.

Who would you prefer? The choice for many seems to be Starmer, Watson or Jess sodding Phillips. Would love to see how Labour would be polling in leave seats with any of those in charge. 

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1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

keep on as is and it won’t change, any Government need to come up with new ideas, just to keep throwing money at it won’t work and eventually the money will dry up.

I keep on telling everyone on this thread that the Tories have not funded the NHS fully and that's why it's now in crisis and that's why, belatedly, surprise, surprise, with an election looming, they've decided to announce more cash.

The fact of the matter is this. Real spending has gone up. But what matters is putting it in context and examining the % of GDP that we spend on health. And that has been static at best between 2010-2019 and not much more than it was in 2008. Throughout the history of the NHS on average it has received 3.6%. Under the Tories for the last few years it has received 1.6%. And of course, we've had inflation, a rising older population, and advances in treatment. So it needed to go up not down, just to keep pace with demand. It's quite a simple fact to understand and not rocket science. We have not been funding the NHS properly and getting by on the cheap.

We are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Yet our health spending puts us near the bottom of the G7 countries. We spend less than France or Germany. We're 19th in the OECD list, just below Iceland. The IFS says that it needs at least 4% GDP spent on it just to stem the tide and stop things getting worse. Read the reports by the ONS, Health Foundation and King's Fund. Read what the professionals who work in the NHS say.

Clearly we need to look at how it's run and where we can be more efficient. But the bottom line is if you don't spend a bigger GDP% on health care then you end up in a crisis. 

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4 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Lovely bit of racism there, really showing your colours.

Racism?..... showing your colours?..... I'm getting confused.

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1 hour ago, TheSage said:

I keep on telling everyone on this thread that the Tories have not funded the NHS fully and that's why it's now in crisis and that's why, belatedly, surprise, surprise, with an election looming, they've decided to announce more cash.

The fact of the matter is this. Real spending has gone up. But what matters is putting it in context and examining the % of GDP that we spend on health. And that has been static at best between 2010-2019 and not much more than it was in 2008. Throughout the history of the NHS on average it has received 3.6%. Under the Tories for the last few years it has received 1.6%. And of course, we've had inflation, a rising older population, and advances in treatment. So it needed to go up not down, just to keep pace with demand. It's quite a simple fact to understand and not rocket science. We have not been funding the NHS properly and getting by on the cheap.

We are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Yet our health spending puts us near the bottom of the G7 countries. We spend less than France or Germany. We're 19th in the OECD list, just below Iceland. The IFS says that it needs at least 4% GDP spent on it just to stem the tide and stop things getting worse. Read the reports by the ONS, Health Foundation and King's Fund. Read what the professionals who work in the NHS say.

Clearly we need to look at how it's run and where we can be more efficient. But the bottom line is if you don't spend a bigger GDP% on health care then you end up in a crisis. 

The average inflation since the NHS started sits slightly below 4%, inflation has risen by approximately 1.8% in the last 9 years so investment in to the NHS has been better against inflation if you go against inflation plus taking in to account the recession and austerity for 5 of these years. I agree with you that more money needs to go in to the NHS but we should be open minded in to new sources from where this money can come from plus it does need a new structure. 

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50 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Comparing a black woman to a black dog? If Corbyn had done that imagine the response.

Don't let the verbal diarrhea return..... that's part of the problem with political correctness...... you make wild jumps to accuse then infer your own interpretation to make it fit..... shame on you.

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Although you can’t hold Dianne Abbott account for what her son does it doesn’t bare well if she becomes the Home Secretary when her son is assaulting police officers.

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