General Erection - 12th December 2019

[mr.hobblesworth]

No plan for Scottish referendum. Another lie. 

[For Us All]

4 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

No plan for Scottish referendum. Another lie. 

Knock £18 million off the bill then.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Fine. A price worth paying for democracy. 

[mr.hobblesworth]

Good response from Corbyn.

"I made it very clear in my speech, and I make it very clear again now, there is no place whatsoever for antisemitism in our society, our country or in my party and there never will be so long as I’m leader of the party.

 

And, since I become leader of the party, the party has adopted processes that didn’t exit before, has had a disciplinary process that didn’t exist before. And when people commit antisemitic acts, they are brought to book, and if necessary expelled from the party or suspended or asked to be educated better about it.

 

I’ve also introduced an education system within the party.

 

I want to live in a country where people respect each other’s faith. I want to live in a country where people feel secure to be Jewish, to be Muslim, to be Hindu, to be Christian, and I want to lead a government that has an open door to all of the faith leaders.

 

So I invite the chief rabbi, I invite the archbishop of Canterbury, I invite all the other faith leaders to come talk to us about what their concerns are.

 

But be absolutely sure of this assurance from me: no community will be at risk because of their identity, their faith, their ethnicity, or their language. I am proud to represent a diverse community in parliament. I’ve spent my life fighting racism in any form, right outside here on Tottenham high road in the 1970s.

 

And so there is no place for it, and I ask those that think have not been done correctly to tell me about it, talk to me about it, but above all engage. I’m very happy to engage with anybody. My whole life has been engagement with people. Sometimes you agree with them, sometimes you don’t, but you only learn by that process of engagement.

 

So I say to all communities, let’s make our country safe for all of us. That is what our manifesto is all about and that’s why I’m so proud of our race and faith manifesto today."

[Bycarsbill]

1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

The first reading was passed, but there was insufficient time allowed for the 2nd reading, instead of allowing further time, although less than the usual period was asked for, Johnson threw his toys out of his pram. He then  set up another referendum masquerading as an election, very democratic.

Can't get much more democratic than a general election!

[For Us All]

9 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Good response from Corbyn.

"I made it very clear in my speech, and I make it very clear again now, there is no place whatsoever for antisemitism in our society, our country or in my party and there never will be so long as I’m leader of the party.

 

And, since I become leader of the party, the party has adopted processes that didn’t exit before, has had a disciplinary process that didn’t exist before. And when people commit antisemitic acts, they are brought to book, and if necessary expelled from the party or suspended or asked to be educated better about it.

 

I’ve also introduced an education system within the party.

 

I want to live in a country where people respect each other’s faith. I want to live in a country where people feel secure to be Jewish, to be Muslim, to be Hindu, to be Christian, and I want to lead a government that has an open door to all of the faith leaders.

 

So I invite the chief rabbi, I invite the archbishop of Canterbury, I invite all the other faith leaders to come talk to us about what their concerns are.

 

But be absolutely sure of this assurance from me: no community will be at risk because of their identity, their faith, their ethnicity, or their language. I am proud to represent a diverse community in parliament. I’ve spent my life fighting racism in any form, right outside here on Tottenham high road in the 1970s.

 

And so there is no place for it, and I ask those that think have not been done correctly to tell me about it, talk to me about it, but above all engage. I’m very happy to engage with anybody. My whole life has been engagement with people. Sometimes you agree with them, sometimes you don’t, but you only learn by that process of engagement.

 

So I say to all communities, let’s make our country safe for all of us. That is what our manifesto is all about and that’s why I’m so proud of our race and faith manifesto today."

He talks a good game but his leadership is being judged on his lack of action.

[geosname]

1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

Do you mean there are a lot more nowadays?

Quite probably..... there are an extra 15,000,000+ in the population.... I was one in 1965, homeless, penniless,  hopeless in a lot of people's estimation.

[Heatwave]

2 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Precisely!  Spot-on. They'd had almost three and a half years to sort it and the rejected timetabling was only a thinly-veiled attempt to thwart the process--easy to see through it and I'm not even a Brexiteer!

Theresa May had an agreement with the EU on Brexit. Your mates in the ERG torpedoed it. Now who's responsible?

[For Us All]

1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

I note that the Chief Rabbi described Johnson as a "long standing friend" when the latter was elected party leader.  I note that this long standing friend sent a message of congratulation to the anti-semitic Viktor Orban when he was elected in Hungary.  I also see that Johnson was editor of the Spectator when one notorious and self-confessed anti-semite - Taki Theodoracopulos - was a regular contributor.  Did the Chief Rabbi still remain friends with a bloke who condoned anti-semitism in this way??

Is Boris being investigated by the EHRC for these actions though?

I'm not saying it's right but is it any different when you compare these acts of congratulations to the ones made by Corbyn to the dictators of Cuba and Venezuela?

With regards to Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis,he perhaps thinks Boris is the safer option to Jezza? 

[Bycarsbill]

17 minutes ago, Heatwave said:

Theresa May had an agreement with the EU on Brexit. Your mates in the ERG torpedoed it. Now who's responsible?

You obviously don't read what I post--as I have stated on many occasions, I voted to remain and the ERG are certainly not my "mates" but unlike you I suspect, I am a democrat.  Much as I was disappointed at the outcome of the referendum, if you believe in democracy then we should be leaving the EU even though I suspect it's not the best thing to do. You can't have a democracy if only the "winners" like and honour a result. What would have happened in every GE since the war if that were the case? I appreciate that's possibly a concept that's a bit advanced for you, but have a little think about it and you may possibly work it out for yourself sometime.

As a matter of historical fact, it wasn't just the ERG group that "torpedoed" Theresa May's deal it was all the Labour, SNP, Green  and Lib-Dem MPs voting against it that actually sunk it.

[ginge]

1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

Can't get much more democratic than a general election!

We had one in 2017. What did it solve?

[Jacko51]

1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Is Boris being investigated by the EHRC for these actions though?

I'm not saying it's right but is it any different when you compare these acts of congratulations to the ones made by Corbyn to the dictators of Cuba and Venezuela?

With regards to Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis,he perhaps thinks Boris is the safer option to Jezza? 

So are you saying a little bit of anti-semitism is OK?

[Jacko51]

1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

You obviously don't read what I post--as I have stated on many occasions, I voted to remain and the ERG are certainly not my "mates" but unlike you I suspect, I am a democrat.  Much as I was disappointed at the outcome of the referendum, if you believe in democracy then we should be leaving the EU even though I suspect it's not the best thing to do. You can't have a democracy if only the "winners" like and honour a result. What would have happened in every GE since the war if that were the case? I appreciate that's possibly a concept that's a bit advanced for you, but have a little think about it and you may possibly work it out for yourself sometime.

 

In every general election since the war - and before - the losers have continued to fight to win the next one.  Democracy does not end with one vote, it's a continuous process.

[Jacko51]

Former Tory Prime Minister meets terrorist

 

 

[For Us All]

4 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

So are you saying a little bit of anti-semitism is OK?

Not at all,but it obviously wasn't deemed serious enough to warrant an investigation.