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General Erection - 12th December 2019


mr.hobblesworth

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1 minute ago, Fosse69 said:

After 9 years of deterioration under Tory hands is that a serious question?

No, just wondering, I personally hope Corbyn gets in, it will be wonderful under a Labour administration,4 day week and the same salary,I haven't worked out how the NHS will operate with nurses and ancillary workers only doing half a week, but they must have worked it out so it should be happy days.

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I'd prefer some sort of centre-left government if I had the choice but the one thing I'm sure about is that I don't want Johnson and his band of liars, law breakers, charlatans and shysters anywhere near government. They must be the thickest Cabinet in history. Certainly the most unprincipled one. Anyone voting for them needs to give their heads a wobble. 

It isn't an either/or binary choice anyway. Plenty of alternatives, from the Greens, to the Liberals, from the nationalists to Change UK. 

I've been in favour of PR for very many years and that would have stopped all this dead in its tracks and forced politicians to work together and find common ground.

 

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9 hours ago, geosname said:

Has anyone calculated how much has been promised in spending by each party?

Lots of fake news based on estimates of other peoples day dreams, until manifestos are produced with costings a waste of time, just scare tactics. Time is of the essence, is all the money being spent in January, within 5 years, 10 years or never as the project is quietly forgotten as unrealistic or just an election scam. 

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10 minutes ago, For Us All said:

National Security might be seriously questioned if Labour ever get in?

Are you being serious? If so you'll have to question the motives of every politician of every colour who has had to deal with terrorism and terrorists over many decades.

Having sympathy for people such as the Palestinians is a long way from supporting a terrorist cause. Dealing with the terrorists is the day job for a front line politician. 

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On 14/11/2019 at 18:02, Fosse69 said:

Pavements are for walking on not sleeping on, life expectancy is going down, waiting lists are lengthening, the 6th richest country has the means, it is just too mean.

Maybe we should do something radical to arrest this slide then, maybe we could look at trade and immigration to start with?

 

I'd love to know how you propose we raise all this extra money without costing jobs and sending the wealthy scurrying off shore.

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2 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Maybe we should do something radical to arrest this slide then, maybe we could look at trade and immigration to start with?

 

I'd love to know how you propose we raise all this extra money without costing jobs and sending the wealthy scurrying off shore.

Nothing radical about funding the NHS and social services

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

This is the labour lie that loses them the majority of elections. 

It's not true and sensible people dont believe it.

Can I translate that for you? It is factually true and only fools who don't bother to make themselves aware of the facts don't believe it.

In the last ten years the NHS has received increases in its budget of 1.5% a year. This compares to an average of 3.7% overall each year since the forties. That's why it's in crisis. Take into account inflation and the fact that people were living longer (and even that's gone down lately) and you can see why the NHS is struggling. They are the facts, although you won't like them.

Hence we now have all 4 main targets missed, patients waiting for hours and hours at A&E, stuck on trolleys and sitting on floors in corridors, struggling to get appointments and having operations cancelled. Surgeries have been closed down and only last week there was mention of patients seeing GPs standing up to get more through the system! What an appalling indictment.

We are the 6th richest country in the world. It's a political choice how you cut the cake. Fund the NHS fully or squander £80 billion already on Brexit plus the £39 billion divorce bill, pay the DUP £5 billion to keep them sweet, tax cuts for wealthy corporations and handouts for the rich. Grayling himself squandered over £30 billion with his crackpot failed schemes.

And Winter has not even started yet.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Can I translate that for you? It is factually true and only fools who don't bother to make themselves aware of the facts don't believe it.

In the last ten years the NHS has received increases in its budget of 1.5% a year. This compares to an average of 3.7% overall each year since the forties. That's why it's in crisis. Take into account inflation and the fact that people were living longer (and even that's gone down lately) and you can see why the NHS is struggling. They are the facts, although you won't like them.

Hence we now have all 4 main targets missed, patients waiting for hours and hours at A&E, stuck on trolleys and sitting on floors in corridors, struggling to get appointments and having operations cancelled. Surgeries have been closed down and only last week there was mention of patients seeing GPs standing up to get more through the system! What an appalling indictment.

We are the 6th richest country in the world. It's a political choice how you cut the cake. Fund the NHS fully or squander £80 billion already on Brexit plus the £39 billion divorce bill, pay the DUP £5 billion to keep them sweet, tax cuts for wealthy corporations and handouts for the rich. Grayling himself squandered over £30 billion with his crackpot failed schemes.

And Winter has not even started yet.

 

 

 

Again, it would be great if we could magic up some money but we can't.

 

We have to live within our means. We can't keep pouring money into an NHS black hole.

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20 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Unless it's to give to the DUP.

Or preparing for a no-deal brexit.

Or to bail out bankers.

Or for tax cuts.

So do we need to raise more taxes or do we need to cut our cloth accordingly?

 

Lets scratch the tax cuts and the brexit from that list though as the country voted for both.

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