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General Erection - 12th December 2019


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30 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

At least with Farage you know what his goal is (leave the E.U.) always stood for that and stuck to his guns. Boris has pretty well stuck to what he said immediately before becoming PM. As for Corbyn, what has he stuck to? A Euro sceptic for pretty well all his political career until it comes to the Referendum where he stood on the fence going along with whatever he believes will get him the most votes and always going against the Government. Corbyn will screw us all over if he ever gets to be PM, do not believe his manifesto and do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Farage wanted a Norway + deal and stay in the customs union.  Now he wants a hard Brexit.  He wanted a second referendum if Leave lost.  Now he doesn't.  Farage does not stick to his guns.

Boris Johnson had always been pro EU and even wanted Turkey to join: https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/2003/may/21/european-union-accessions-bill#2003-05-21T16:29:00Z 

Johnson has never stuck to anything other than his own personal advancement.

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2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Why is Nige so scared of a 2nd referendum? Same reason as most Brexiteers are, because they know they would lose.

Johnson and Farage are cowards and traitors.

Said the same myself, why shouldn't there be a 2nd referendum after all the 1st one was won on lies which isn't how the democratic process should work.

Farage is a dangerous man and will employ any tactic to get his way, he has no evidence the UK will be better off out of Europe, in fact the evidence strongly suggests the opposite. Farage has come to a position of prominence and influence in UK politics by the back door, he couldn't get elected as an MP. His scheming and manipulative ways know no limits.

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25 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Said the same myself, why shouldn't there be a 2nd referendum after all the 1st one was won on lies which isn't how the democratic process should work.

Farage is a dangerous man and will employ any tactic to get his way, he has no evidence the UK will be better off out of Europe, in fact the evidence strongly suggests the opposite. Farage has come to a position of prominence and influence in UK politics by the back door, he couldn't get elected as an MP. His scheming and manipulative ways know no limits.

He'll surely have time to stand himself now as an MP now he doesn't have to go round campaigning in all the seats telling the country that Boris' deal is Brexit in name only !

Taken off Twitter- this is fantastic:

As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send significant sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.

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6 minutes ago, ginge said:

He'll surely have time to stand himself now as an MP now he doesn't have to go round campaigning in all the seats telling the country that Boris' deal is Brexit in name only !

Taken off Twitter- this is fantastic:

As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send significant sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.

Will he return their deposits if they do not stand? 

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1 hour ago, ginge said:

Farage has changed his goalposts though. He said we'd be like Norway and stay in the single market. Now he's changed his tune. He also has no idea how we should leave or how it would get through parliament. Boris has previously said he's a fan of brussels and wants to stay in the single market. Now he's a big leaver??? (His own political gain). I have not heard Corbyn say once he supports leave. I have heard him say there are issues to reform in the EU. But Boris has proven to be a serial liar, so on evidence he is not as trustworthy as Corbyn.

Jezza was a strong leave advocate and dead against 2nd referendums.

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1 hour ago, ginge said:

If I was Farage being practical I would pull out of all seats to avoid splitting the leave vote. The point is he said he'd contest every seat. Well the conman chickened out again. The polls have shown that the most important seats are the Labour minorities anyway so I'm not sure the announcement today will effect anything. I think the Brexit Party will be very lucky to win a single seat. They are effectively just making Brexit less likely by taking votes off the tories in areas like N-u-L.

If Labour and Lib dems are clever they would come up with some sort of an alliance in marginal seats like N-u-L. They don't have to agree on policies but surely they want to avoid a hard right Tory government.

The policies on brexit alone would inhibit lib dems and Labour alliance.... lib dems are going after Labour votes because that's where they can gain the most.... one wants to cancel brexit the other doesn't.... no meeting of minds.

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8 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Will he return their deposits if they do not stand? 

I imagine they have not paid their deposits for the election yet. But the £100 to be considered for a candidate was a non refundable fee to the Brexit party which a couple of thousand people paid. Robert Wheal who was PPC for Arundel is fuming with Farage calling him a disgrace on Twitter. 

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4 minutes ago, geosname said:

The policies on brexit alone would inhibit lib dems and Labour alliance.... lib dems are going after Labour votes because that's where they can gain the most.... one wants to cancel brexit the other doesn't.... no meeting of minds.

But the point is it's stopping a hard right government majority. They don't have to agree on policies. The Greens and Lib dems don't agree on Brexit but they have an alliance in some seats as you pointed out earlier! Im not suggesting an alliance in all seats. Just an agreement in those it makes sense in. Labour are supporting a referendum which is closer to remain than the alternative of Boris.

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1 minute ago, ginge said:

But the point is it's stopping a hard right government majority. They don't have to agree on policies. Im not suggesting an alliance in all seats. Just an agreement in those it makes sense in. Labour are supporting a referendum which is closer to remain than the alternative of Boris.

The libs don't want a referendum..... they are using the difference to try to gain votes from Labour...... it's not about stopping a right wing government for the libs it's about winning, getting credability, standing on a firm ticket to capture remain voters

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5 hours ago, ginge said:

I do ask that question......every day!

Why do people vote for a guy who says he wants to build a big wall in Colorado which no Mexican can get over or under.....in Colorado..which doesn't border Mexico.... Why do people vote for a guy who is a serial liar and said wind turbines couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding?

Find the answer and you could end up being a winner.

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2 minutes ago, geosname said:

The libs don't want a referendum..... they are using the difference to try to gain votes from Labour...... it's not about stopping a right wing government for the libs it's about winning, getting credability, standing on a firm ticket to capture remain voters

But they're not going to win. So theyre shooting themselves in the foot. Greens want a second vote. They dont agree on many policies. But they have stepped aside as you pointed out.

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