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mr.hobblesworth

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1 hour ago, TheSage said:

It was a simple statement of fact, not a point scoring anti-Tory diatribe. I wasn't seeking to make a political point. I was only repeating the broad thrust of the editorial that suggested that politics in the UK has descended into the gutter, with which I agree.

Ok. I was doing the same then.

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1 hour ago, TheSage said:

It was a simple statement of fact, not a point scoring anti-Tory diatribe. I wasn't seeking to make a political point. I was only repeating the broad thrust of the editorial that suggested that politics in the UK has descended into the gutter, with which I agree.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that, Sage.  I've never known a time when our so called leaders were such a bunch of hopeless cretins.

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4 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

Unlike yourself you mean?  You are probably one of the the biggest fake news broadcasters on here.  Far too much of what you spew out is purely opinion based, just as is the case with most fake-news.  Unfortunately, a good deal of social media is now based (and Mr. Trump is one of the biggest exponents of this) purely on biased opinion instead of specific fact. Don't know whether you caught David Mitchell on the Graham Norton show last Friday? Watch it if you can--he summed it up very neatly!

The Sage in terms of political leaning is very much on your wing, but unlike you (see the posts between him and me above) he and I try to deal as much as possible in facts and not just opinion.  As we both acknowledge, we are probably never going to see eye to eye with our different opinions about the two leaders and political parties, but at least we can agree to disagree in a civilised way without resorting to name-calling and childish insults as you tend to do all too often--particularly, I note, when you're losing an argument. If you'd like to challenge any of my specific economic facts above, then please feel free to do so.

I've just deleted the post I was going to write as it's of zero interest to anyone, including (in the light of day) you and I.

If some of the things I've believed have subsequently been proven not to be so, that's not pushing fake news. There's no intent or deception there, no desire to lie or hoodwink. I insulted you because I believe you deserve insulting. If someone is telling lies and is then given proof that what they are saying is a fabrication, and they then continue to tell that lie, they're a bit of a tosser, IMO. I think it's probably best, certainly for this forum, if we ignore each other.

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7 hours ago, philpvfc said:

I don’t want to go through all these pages but you are forever sharing links from left wing bull <ovf censored> material. 

I remember last election when I listened to what you had to say and decided not to vote Conservative based off your crap. All you said would happen did not, I cannot remember all the <ovf censored> you said but I can remember you saying if the Conservatives get in we will see fox hunting legalised again, which turned out to be a lie as it was never even put to the vote.

Durrr. Maybe due to May not getting a majority? It was clearly stated by her before the 2017 election. Luckily, Corbyn managing to give Labour one of their biggest vote shares since the 1940s (not bad for a "cretin") meant that she was unable to enact that. Absolutely nothing to do with 'fake news'.

 

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1 minute ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Durrr. Maybe due to May not getting a majority? It was clearly stated by her before the 2017 election. Luckily, Corbyn managing to give Labour one of their biggest vote shares since the 1940s (not bad for a "cretin") meant that she was unable to enact that. Absolutely nothing to do with 'fake news'.

 

All the 2017 election proved was that you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time.

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5 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

All the 2017 election proved was that you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time.

Classic centrist blarting. We'll see. I don't think a politician has done more to engage the previously disenfranchised young than anyone in many many years. He's boosted Labour membership to the extent that it's one of the biggest parties in Western Europe, hauled the Overton Window leftwards and energised many many voters. I (and many others) believe that he is an intrinsically good man who has spent most of his life campaigning for equality and justice, standing up for the poor and vulnerable. Nice of you to call him a cretin though.

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41 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Durrr. Maybe due to May not getting a majority? It was clearly stated by her before the 2017 election. Luckily, Corbyn managing to give Labour one of their biggest vote shares since the 1940s (not bad for a "cretin") meant that she was unable to enact that. Absolutely nothing to do with 'fake news'.

 

More fake news

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Why is it fake news? I said in an earlier post that you're getting more Trumpian by the minute and it's true. You dismiss anything you don't want to hear as 'fake news' even though every single thing I've written is a verifiable fact. So many times on this thread I've asked you to back up your insinuations and not once have you managed to. It's infuriating and makes it impossible to discuss anything as every time I make a point it's either ignored and the same lies are peddled or it gets dismissed as fake news.Jewish people and organisations offer support to Jeremy Corbyn - dismissed, not the right Jews. 160 economists write to the FT to praise Labour's spending plans - dismissed, not the right economists. An economics forum publishes a complimentary report on Labour's manifesto pledges - dismissed, not the right think tank. Evidence that Corbyn isn't a supporter of the IRA - dismissed, doesn't fit your chosen narrative.

Thing is, out in the real world, these lies are losing their traction. Nearly every single poll sees Labour closing the gap (funny how people warm to Labour when the BBC are forced to give them equal billing and supposedly fair coverage) and it's looking possible that Corbyn could be heading a minority government in a week or so time. I really think change is coming, maybe not this December but certainly soon.

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1 hour ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Classic centrist blarting. We'll see. I don't think a politician has done more to engage the previously disenfranchised young than anyone in many many years. He's boosted Labour membership to the extent that it's one of the biggest parties in Western Europe, hauled the Overton Window leftwards and energised many many voters. I (and many others) believe that he is an intrinsically good man who has spent most of his life campaigning for equality and justice, standing up for the poor and vulnerable. Nice of you to call him a cretin though.

And ensured they stay as opposition 

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I took part in some focus group/ market research event for the Times on Saturday and one guy was opining that we don't have a sensible moderate Labour leader that he could get behind. he stated that if we had one, we would be thrashing the tories. I said 'what, like Ed Miliband or Gordon Brown?' and he said 'yeah' but then went quiet. I'm not sure what people think a centrist Labour leader would achieve, it's not like Jo Swinson's lot are hoovering up any votes. In fact, they're shipping loads of votes to "cretin" Corbyn's Labour Party. I also question what people want from the Labour Party. Do you want a party that fights it's <ovf censored> backside off to stick up for the poor and vulnerable or do you want them to ignore those people and be terrified of rocking the boat and upsetting the Murdoch papers? Neoliberalism isn't working and we don't need a supposedly Socialist party manning the life support machine.

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