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General Erection - 12th December 2019


mr.hobblesworth

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1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

keep on as is and it won’t change, any Government need to come up with new ideas, just to keep throwing money at it won’t work and eventually the money will dry up.

I keep on telling everyone on this thread that the Tories have not funded the NHS fully and that's why it's now in crisis and that's why, belatedly, surprise, surprise, with an election looming, they've decided to announce more cash.

The fact of the matter is this. Real spending has gone up. But what matters is putting it in context and examining the % of GDP that we spend on health. And that has been static at best between 2010-2019 and not much more than it was in 2008. Throughout the history of the NHS on average it has received 3.6%. Under the Tories for the last few years it has received 1.6%. And of course, we've had inflation, a rising older population, and advances in treatment. So it needed to go up not down, just to keep pace with demand. It's quite a simple fact to understand and not rocket science. We have not been funding the NHS properly and getting by on the cheap.

We are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Yet our health spending puts us near the bottom of the G7 countries. We spend less than France or Germany. We're 19th in the OECD list, just below Iceland. The IFS says that it needs at least 4% GDP spent on it just to stem the tide and stop things getting worse. Read the reports by the ONS, Health Foundation and King's Fund. Read what the professionals who work in the NHS say.

Clearly we need to look at how it's run and where we can be more efficient. But the bottom line is if you don't spend a bigger GDP% on health care then you end up in a crisis. 

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1 hour ago, TheSage said:

I keep on telling everyone on this thread that the Tories have not funded the NHS fully and that's why it's now in crisis and that's why, belatedly, surprise, surprise, with an election looming, they've decided to announce more cash.

The fact of the matter is this. Real spending has gone up. But what matters is putting it in context and examining the % of GDP that we spend on health. And that has been static at best between 2010-2019 and not much more than it was in 2008. Throughout the history of the NHS on average it has received 3.6%. Under the Tories for the last few years it has received 1.6%. And of course, we've had inflation, a rising older population, and advances in treatment. So it needed to go up not down, just to keep pace with demand. It's quite a simple fact to understand and not rocket science. We have not been funding the NHS properly and getting by on the cheap.

We are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Yet our health spending puts us near the bottom of the G7 countries. We spend less than France or Germany. We're 19th in the OECD list, just below Iceland. The IFS says that it needs at least 4% GDP spent on it just to stem the tide and stop things getting worse. Read the reports by the ONS, Health Foundation and King's Fund. Read what the professionals who work in the NHS say.

Clearly we need to look at how it's run and where we can be more efficient. But the bottom line is if you don't spend a bigger GDP% on health care then you end up in a crisis. 

The average inflation since the NHS started sits slightly below 4%, inflation has risen by approximately 1.8% in the last 9 years so investment in to the NHS has been better against inflation if you go against inflation plus taking in to account the recession and austerity for 5 of these years. I agree with you that more money needs to go in to the NHS but we should be open minded in to new sources from where this money can come from plus it does need a new structure. 

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50 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Comparing a black woman to a black dog? If Corbyn had done that imagine the response.

Don't let the verbal diarrhea return..... that's part of the problem with political correctness...... you make wild jumps to accuse then infer your own interpretation to make it fit..... shame on you.

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