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General Erection - 12th December 2019


mr.hobblesworth

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5 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Possible future scenario:  Jezza is PM. Most of the north of the UK has been "nuked" by Russia or a rogue state, London and the south  is the next target what will he do then?   Have a chat (as Emily Thornerry last week suggested) with his cabinet collegues who after a lot of debate decide that they feel it would be much better to start a dialogue with the rogue state--the mind boggles! The whole 'senior' strata of Labour are a complete joke when it comes to the country's security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ignore Russia as unlikely to nuke, but a minor rogue state would have suffered retaliation by allies, if Trident failed to respond. There is no time for meetings.

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7 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

What's even more illogical, is that Labour's official policy seems to back £130 billion investment in renewing a Trident threat that their leader then says he wouldn't use--you couldn't make it up--if it wasn't so serious, it would be really funny!

No reason why Trident could not be used for conventional weapons. A lot of UK jobs at stake also. 

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5 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Ignore Russia as unlikely to nuke, but a minor rogue state would have suffered retaliation by allies, if Trident failed to respond. There is no time for meetings.

So our security depends on someone else doing what we are not prepared to do?..... what if they don't want to do it to avoid being attacked themselves? 

Our deterent can not be reliance on a third party

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The Lib Dems and SNP have lost their legal challenge to be included in an ITV head-to-head debate ahead of the general election on 12 December.

The channel is due to air a face-off between Tory leader Boris Johnson and Labour's Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday.

The Lib Dems said they wanted their pro-Remain stance to be represented, while the SNP also wanted the issue of Scottish independence to be raised.

But judges ruled there was "no arguable breach of the Broadcasting Code".

In the High Court in London, Lord Justice Davis and Mr Justice Warby said the case was not suitable for judicial review as ITV was not carrying out a "public function" in law by holding the debate.

However, the parties had the right to complain to Ofcom about the programme after it had been broadcast, they said.

Lord Justice Davis said: "The clear conclusion of both members of this court is that, viewed overall, these claims are not realistically arguable."

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3 minutes ago, geosname said:

So our security depends on someone else doing what we are not prepared to do?..... what if they don't want to do it to avoid being attacked themselves? 

Our deterent can not be reliance on a third party

That is what allies are for. Lots of  Nato countries do not have nuclear weapons. 

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1 minute ago, Fosse69 said:

That is what allies are for. Lots of  Nato countries do not have nuclear weapons. 

Allies like the americans?  2 years late, and only after being attacked at pearl harbour.

Like the French whose impenetrable defences were breached in a day and demanded the British save them.... and condemned us for the withdrawal of troops at Dunkirk 

The Russians who change sides at the drop of a Poland 

Why would anyone else put themselves in the firing line.

Would jezza pull the trigger if our allies were attacked?.... apparently not.

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1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

You really think if Russia nuked us because we couldn’t reply the Americans would then go and nuke Russia because they are NATO allies?

I don't worry about Russia, they are not that foolish, too much invested n the UK. Trump is more of a danger.

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Trump is not a danger on an international assault, Clinton would be if she got in to power. Trump is only interested in making America wealthy, he does not want to get too involved in international politics, if he had his way he would pull all troops from foreign soil and reduce funding to the armed forces.

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7 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

I know, he has too many principles to be a conventional PM. But  in practice when would the button be pressed? Initial strike after a Cobra meeting, he refuses then the Queen dismisses him? MAD has failed, no time to call a Cobra meeting, any point in retaliating? All hypothetical I know, under what circumstances would we be at risk? I cannot believe any but a rogue strike could happen, then what is the point in retaliating?  

Principles?!

 

The man has spent his working life opposing the  EU. His more radical policies would be made much easier to implement if we were outside of the EU. People talk about Boris snatching power, Corbyn is flushing the few principles he had down the toilet because he thinks he has a sniff of power.

Saying that, that is what socialism does. It drives people power hungry (and the population just hungry).

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3 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:

I'm not questioning is beliefs.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. However it is very definitely his suitability to hold the office of PM whose first duty is to the security of the citizens of the UK.  Quite clearly, given his beliefs, he is not a justifiable candidate for that particular office and responsibility for security that goes with it!

In my opinion Bill, national security should be the first name on the team sheet when it comes to Government. It's literally the main reason and trumps everything else.

 

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